To not have moved on from the referendum result?

[Niamer]

Hi. I am a remoaner. I have bored myself with talking about it online and with a couple of likeminded friends.
I was have never been political, was pretty disengaged before the referendum but a 100% gut-feeling kind of a remainer and really expected the vote to go our way.

Felt devastated at the result; I am a believer in working closely with our neighbours, have lived in other Eu countries, have friends here from other EU countries who feel unwelcome etc etc. AND all the attachment to Europe stuff aside, it just seemed a far safer economic option to stay put. Why go for a bumpy ride when you don't even like where you're going? Also felt really cheated when people's reasons for leaving became clear.
I am amazed that some Remainers have just gone quiet and got weary of it all. As far as Leave voters, there has been plenty of "suck it up" comments and total quiet from others. It hasn't been long but time is not healing for me. In fact the Tory conference seemed to take the grimness up a notch. Still so upset and wanting to protest (and have done in every way that I can think of)

I am currently in groups with staunch Remainers like myself, so I know how they are feeling. Outside of that, it isn't an easy topic to discuss. Remainers, Leavers, non-voters, please could you tell me where you're at? TIA

to Queenliz: I am afraid if past performance is anything to go by, you have another forty years to go before the 'losing side' shut up.

No . It called a democracy. Did the leavers shut it for 40 odd years?

The EU will collapse you know.

Countries have formed unions throughout history and fall apart. This is another one that wont last.

At least we see it fall apart from the outside this way.

Lynn, sorry, I didn't mean to imply those were reasons to remain. Many leavers have given them as reasons to leave.

why should we "shut it" Liz. In a democratic system (you know that democracy thing Leavers keep banging on about) we have every right to campaign, protest, write letters and yes - moan - to try and influence the outcome of Brexit. I accept it is going to happen. I didnt sign the referendum for a second vote and believe the decision needs to accepted. But as the shambles that the referendum was didnt stipulate what kind of Brexit we would be having then I think in a democratic society we have every right to be heard in attempt to help shape it. All I have to accept under "democracy" is "Out". There are many degrees within "Out" - some which Remainers would find easier to accept than others. So no I won't "shut it" if that's OK with you.

QueenLiz, I think the difference between an EU collapse as a member state and an EU collapse as a next door country and key exporter are likely to be minimal. I don't even know what EU collapse would look like - is there a particular scenario you see likely?

Countries have formed unions throughout history and fall apart. This is another one that wont last

Has any one told Liam Fox that? There he is trying to lay the ground for innovative jam deals, little knowing that civilisations rise and fall and one day we will just be dust.

is there a particular scenario you see likely?

I think something involving Godzilla.

If the collapse is connected to war in Eastern Europe, there is potentially a huge difference between us fighting in that war and not fighting in it, particularly if it comes to the conscription of our young people.

Niamer,

I voted leave, and would do so again in a heartbeat.
I was really surprised at the amount of vitriol beng thrown around.
I am not racist, xenophobic, anti europe, thick, gullible anti immigrant or nationalistic.
But I do think that small, non interfering and answerable government is the cornerstone of democracy.
Do you feel the same in General/local elections if your vote does not produce the desired candidate?

Well according to TM you're not getting that.

I feel aggrieved that Remoaners have accused me so much of being racist, while refusing to entertain any other motive, I have been forced to examine my opinions in this regard, far more than I otherwise would. And I have discovered that I agree with more control over immigration.

I am not racist, xenophobic, anti europe, thick, gullible anti immigrant or nationalistic.

Good for you, have a ! Have you told TM and the rest of her racist, xenophobic, anti europe, thick, gullible anti immigrant or nationalistic pals in government? Somebody really needs to tell them.

Isn't the behaviour of the Conservative Party more the responsibility of the people who voted them in?

I didn't even vote to have a referendum in the first place; conservative voters did.

Why dont we all start our own threads on here as we are special too.

They cant move our threads away from AIBU without moving this one too. They cant tell one person they are allowed out of topic and not the others.

So... no not Brit academics allowed to advise on Brexit.
I wonder if they'll ban British Remain voting academics next.
At that point there will be fairly slim pickings as far as experts go.
What an ugly car crash this is rapidly becoming.
I didn't start life as a British citizen. This is the first day I've wondered if it's something I might be stripped of.

Out of interest,
Can anyone name their current MEP without googling it?

Why dont we all start our own threads on here as we are special too.

Yes, why don't you? Perhaps it's because you're being shut down, silenced, sneered at, dismissed, name called and generally negatively verbed by Remoaners?

I know my MEP's name. I've written to him a couple of times.

EU army conscription of UK youth = myth, sorry.

merrymouse

Anyway, OP: YANBU

Can anyone name their current MEP without googling it?

Yes.

To be told that we are not wanted by a host nation which we are genuinely part of, have respect for and have absorbed into ourselves hurts deeply. That isn't what you are being told Lekkerkroketje...I voted to leave a political structure that is groaning under its own weight, and is increasingly impotent and irrelevant in the 21st century, and that we have repeatedly seen not step up to the challenges that it faces. I think that the EU is on increasingly shaky ground, and whilst Merkel and Hollande may threaten sturm and drang, they have yet to be re-elected next year.

I voted for the UK to be able to do its own trade deals with the world that suit us, as opposed to suiting the needs of the other 27. I don't want to be tied to a train that will soon hit the buffers, especially when the Italian and German banks go over the edge, and I didn't like the direction of travel. I think the EU as shown that as an entity it is unwilling to reform, and is incapable of seeing that it is necessary to do so. There is no will to change there.

I like Europe, I live there, but I deem the EU entirely unnecessary in its current form, and as it won't change, it will die. The death throes may take some time, but without far reaching and fundamental reform, that is where it is headed.

This is the first day I've wondered if it's something I might be stripped of.

Certain posters would probably love to do that, while conveying their deepest sympathies with a concerned headtilt that you must be morally defective because you haven't correctly formed roots and swivel-eyed levels of patriotism for your soil of birth.

Do you feel the same in General/local elections if your vote does not produce the desired candidate?

No, because generally the results of those do not bring about such spectacular change with devastating effects on people I love. Also I know, we'll be able to change again in a max of five years time.

Not so much arrogance as lack of evidence that this wasn't the case.

No, it's an attitude of arrogance and superiority and it crops up on every one of these threads. We are all the poorer for the failure of Remoaners to accept anyone having a valid reason to vote out. We are just repeatedly told we stupid. bigots. racists and so on and so on - it is staggering.

I still haven't got over the result because some otherwise rational people who I thought were my friends have turned out to be so nasty, vitriolic and judgemental.

I didn't vote for the Tories (never have, never likely to) but I felt it essential to vote once the Tories made us have a referendum.

That left me with a choice of how to vote - I could enumerate the many reasons I chose leave, but what's the point?

I am now a social pariah. In our modern, democratic, tolerant society, I am scum for exercising my democratic right to vote the way I did.

I'm depressed about our lack of respect for diversity of opinion.