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To think this isn't the most helpful response to big life news?

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mockonmockon · 03/10/2016 07:50

Sitting on the sofa at my parents' house.

"I'm afraid I have some bad news, I say. You know all those operations I had? Well, we have found out that because of what as happened I'm probably infertile".
"Did they actually say that?" asks mum.
"Yes, because there is too much scarring from the operations", I say, starting to cry a little bit.
"Have you been trying?" asks dad, in surprise.
"Yes" I say "that's how we know".
There is a long silence.
"I'm sorry" I say in the end.
"There are worse things that can happen, you know" says Dad. "A lot worse. A lot of people have it worse.

You need to count your blessings."
"Never mind" says Mum, with finality in her tone. "You have things to do, like your allotment."
Silence.
"Having children is not an easy decision" says Mum. "You're crying now, but if you had children, you'd just cry about that instead. I brought you back from the hospital, this lovely, tiny little baby and I cried because I was so terrified".
"That's right" says my dad, "having children. Isn't an easy option. It might not be right for you anyway, you're not really maternal. You have DH."
"I'm worried" says DH"I'm at work a lot now and not around much to support. She's on her own a lot".
"You're role is to support your DH. He has a high-flying job. You can help out around the house" says Dad. "You are a team. Doing the washing is really important."
"You should go out" says Mum.
"There's not much to do in the day" I say. "Everyone is either working or in Mum and baby groups. She says I can work at a charity shop.
"So many birds in the garden" says DH - they are all trying to distract now because I am now crying harder and wrestling with tissues.
"Yes, there are lots of collared doves" says Mum. "When we moved in they were rare, but now there are loads. They don't go out the front of the house, though, so people out there in the street don't know what they are. Ben came over once and was really surprised at them" (opens arms in show of surprise).
Dad comes in with coffee.
"Look at our lovely coffee pot" says Mum. "Your sister has one too, only hers is bigger and can make more cups. It cost forty pounds but it has been worth it".
Then Mum says "Life is tough, you only get glimmers of good times then big blows, like cancer. Get used to it."
"It's good to have a good cry, though."
My Dad comes in brandishing a computer "Look at my nature videos" he says.

We watch 34 of them while everyone pretends I'm not crying. At no point does anyone give me a hug or even touch me. I have never felt so alone.

Shortly after this, I make my excuses and leave.

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mrsfuzzy · 03/10/2016 10:15

feel for you and your dh big time Flowers, i hate the expression 'there is always someone worse off', yes that may be true, but that doesn't help me if i have a broken leg and the next woman has two, if that makes sense.

mrsfuzzy · 03/10/2016 10:17

white if someone said about 'god' testing me in my health or that of my family i'd punch them ! what a load of tripe !! [sorry, feeling grumpy need more coffee]. Smile

WhiteDraig · 03/10/2016 10:26

I think she felt she couldn't mrsfuzzy though I'm with you there.

She relied on them a lot though she did stop going to church which upset them - and fumed at the attitude with people like us her friends even though she'd say she knew the believed what the said and meant it to help her.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 03/10/2016 10:36

I am sorry for your news and your parents crap reaction to it Flowers

I wondered if they have always seen you as the one who can cope and get on with life and your sister as the one who needs looking after. They couldn't cope when that pattern was changed so they sort of slipped into pretending the issue isn't as big as it really is.

scarednoob · 03/10/2016 10:43

OP this is so sad on many levels. Really sorry you got such bad news and no, YANBU to want more support from your parents. Maybe as they get more used to it and realise how upset you are, they will be better.

Hope they improve and your doctors turn out to be wrong, but even if neither of those things happen, it will gradually hurt less as time goes on Flowers and Wine

Onnapostit · 03/10/2016 10:50
Flowers

Many who have no direct experience of infertility will react clumsily.

My mum promptly told pretty much everyone that was related to her that I was having fertility issues. Now she texts me every fucking time there is anything on the telly to do with IVF (IVF wont resolve our issue -recurrent miscarriage). She changes the subject from my issues to waffling on about my sister's children instead and how terrific they are. Tact has never been her strong point unfortunately. Hmm

She wants to be supportive, and to fix my boo-boo like she used to when I was a kid. But she cant and is unable to grasp what my issue actually is. She's eased off now I'm in my early forties and probably assumes we will give up soon.

GerdaLovesLili · 03/10/2016 10:51

I'm sorry mockonmockon this sounds exactly like the kind of response my Mother would give. She would probably be inwardly relieved (because she feels that I'm not really cut out for parenthood) and then she would try and give some practical response that wouldn't involve embarrassing references to reproductive organs. She would rather die than discuss anything relating to sex or reproduction especially in front of someone of the opposite sex (even her spouse, I only found out about her inability to have children a very long time into my adulthood because she had no way of discussing it that wouldn't cause extreme awkwardness.)

Whatever anyone says about "oldies" it probably is a generational thing.

We are, as a nation getting better at not repressing our emotions and even hugging those we love in extremis, but even I (a mere stripling at 50) don't have the right framework for an instantaneous response to this devastating news.

In our house, you would be offered a nice cup of tea and your favourite biscuit, while we reminisced about "Aunt Joan's Troubles" (Code for any reproductive awkwardness)

You would have my love and support, and I would ask you in private what suppport you needed and you would get hugs and I would be able to cry with you later, but I just couldn't do it in a group of people, however, even if they were your nearest and dearest.

RabbitsNap01 · 03/10/2016 11:08

mock are you getting counselling? It'll take a long time to pick through your feelings about this, are there absolutely no treatment options? My FIL gave us a treatise on how he'd never adopt when we were struggling because 'you didn't know what you were going to get' - your parents could've reacted better or worse but either way you need to try and get counselling for this because it bloody sucks, and it's a game-changer. So sorry you're in this situation

mockonmockon · 03/10/2016 11:14

Thank you everyone who has been kind. And especially to everyone who has shared their own maddening/frustrating/toecurling moments.

I am in a state emotionally, so I am not reacting as calmly or rationally as I ought. There is all kinds of grief and sorrow and anger in me, and I get these surges of emotion at the most unpredictable times, so I am in no position to judge the situation. It has helped to get some perspective on it to hear that they are probably intending to be kind but not expressing it well. I just need a hug right now and someone to ask me how I'm doing instead of minimising it. But I understand that minimising or trivialising it might seem like the helpful thing to do.

I am going to see a counsellor next week. I can't stop crying. I had to give up work because of illness that led to surgery that led to infertility so I am very isolated and alone. I have friends, but not very close ones, and they are busy in the day. My family are 300 miles away and never visit. My parents call me once a week for an hour and that's it.

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RachelRagged · 03/10/2016 11:14

Probably, in their way, trying to make you feel better though that obviously backfired . Did DH not even cuddle you when you were crying ?

I would have been cuddling you OP , , I am very tactile in these circumstances and a hug would have hurt nobody .

Flowers
Whathaveilost · 03/10/2016 11:14

I know its a terrible upset for you but i don't think your parents were being bad or minimising the situation.
It was probably a shock to them and trying to not upset you. Sure it was clumsy but it sounds like they were trying to reassure you in their own way.

MitzyLeFrouf · 03/10/2016 11:18

They just say that I'm not maternal and don't deserve kids.

I'm sorry OP. Sorry for your devastating news and sorry your parents are such duds when it comes to emotions.

Flowers
RabbitsNap01 · 03/10/2016 11:26

the counselling is vital and will be very useful, you need to find a path to the future that is something you can get excited about, there are still optimistic ways forward but you have to discern what that is for yourself. It sounds like you've absolutely been through the mill so the counselling will be useful to deal with all of that too.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 03/10/2016 11:32

ah OP! they were clumsily trying to make you feel better, and are of a generation that did NOT do emotions in the same way that we do.

what can I say? in their day no one discussed infertility, we are a far more heart on sleeve generation.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 03/10/2016 11:36

If your parents are emotional duds you can't rely on them knowing instinctively how to react.

You might need to tell them explicitly what you need. Probably best to get DH to do it. "At the moment, Mock needs hugs and people asking her how she is doing. Can you help?"

I assume you get hugs and support from DH.

Are there support groups for your illness where you might make friends with people in similar situations?

MiniCooperLover · 03/10/2016 11:43

OP, are you getting any comfort or support from your DH? How is he dealing with his grief?

sarahnova69 · 03/10/2016 12:22

Hi mockon

What a tough time you've had generally with your health as well Flowers

If going back to work isn't an option for you at present, do you think you're up to some short sessions of volunteering? Perhaps a F2F support group for infertility, or your health condition (try asking at the hospital/any clinics you attend)? Can you Skype with old friends? Could you consider an online writing course or group? (Because seriously, you have a talent - either that or your parents are an unusually rich source of material it would be a shame to waste Grin.) Some journalling may be helpful?

I hesitate to say any of this in case I come off as the 'chin up, worse things happen, get on with it' brigade, but anybody, much less someone dealing with as much as you have to deal with, would go nuts looking at four walls with no social stimulation.

Take care of yourself.

NoFucksImAQueen · 03/10/2016 14:50

Oh mock I'm so sorry for your loss and it is a loss, it's a loss of something you deeply wanted. Flowers
It's a British thing to be awkward around grief. It's not helpful at all and even if they'd said "fuck I don't know what to say" it would've been better. The truth is there's not anything anyone can say that would make you feel better but there's no point pretending it's not fucking shit because it is.
Huge hugs xx

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AngelicaSchuyler · 03/10/2016 17:34

I'm really sorry to be the bearer of such shitty news OP, but I've just seen that the Daily Fail have lifted this thread and run it on their Femail section online (won't link through but it's definitely this thread). There really are no depths to which those fucking vultures won't sink Angry

Huge hugs to you - I feel your pain as Ive been dealing with infertility for 4 years now and it's shit when you have no support Flowers

I'd ask mumsnet HQ to delete if I were you xxxxxxx

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