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To think this isn't the most helpful response to big life news?

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mockonmockon · 03/10/2016 07:50

Sitting on the sofa at my parents' house.

"I'm afraid I have some bad news, I say. You know all those operations I had? Well, we have found out that because of what as happened I'm probably infertile".
"Did they actually say that?" asks mum.
"Yes, because there is too much scarring from the operations", I say, starting to cry a little bit.
"Have you been trying?" asks dad, in surprise.
"Yes" I say "that's how we know".
There is a long silence.
"I'm sorry" I say in the end.
"There are worse things that can happen, you know" says Dad. "A lot worse. A lot of people have it worse.

You need to count your blessings."
"Never mind" says Mum, with finality in her tone. "You have things to do, like your allotment."
Silence.
"Having children is not an easy decision" says Mum. "You're crying now, but if you had children, you'd just cry about that instead. I brought you back from the hospital, this lovely, tiny little baby and I cried because I was so terrified".
"That's right" says my dad, "having children. Isn't an easy option. It might not be right for you anyway, you're not really maternal. You have DH."
"I'm worried" says DH"I'm at work a lot now and not around much to support. She's on her own a lot".
"You're role is to support your DH. He has a high-flying job. You can help out around the house" says Dad. "You are a team. Doing the washing is really important."
"You should go out" says Mum.
"There's not much to do in the day" I say. "Everyone is either working or in Mum and baby groups. She says I can work at a charity shop.
"So many birds in the garden" says DH - they are all trying to distract now because I am now crying harder and wrestling with tissues.
"Yes, there are lots of collared doves" says Mum. "When we moved in they were rare, but now there are loads. They don't go out the front of the house, though, so people out there in the street don't know what they are. Ben came over once and was really surprised at them" (opens arms in show of surprise).
Dad comes in with coffee.
"Look at our lovely coffee pot" says Mum. "Your sister has one too, only hers is bigger and can make more cups. It cost forty pounds but it has been worth it".
Then Mum says "Life is tough, you only get glimmers of good times then big blows, like cancer. Get used to it."
"It's good to have a good cry, though."
My Dad comes in brandishing a computer "Look at my nature videos" he says.

We watch 34 of them while everyone pretends I'm not crying. At no point does anyone give me a hug or even touch me. I have never felt so alone.

Shortly after this, I make my excuses and leave.

OP posts:
KayTee87 · 03/10/2016 08:58

Op I'm so sorry about your devastating news.
Your parents reaction wasn't great, I don't think they meant any harm by it but you know them better than we do.
Flowers

Groaningmyrtle · 03/10/2016 09:00

Op sending you a massive hug. Flowers. Infertility is such a difficult thing to have to come to terms with, and your parents really should have put their own feelings aside and focussed on you.

It really sounds like you have been given some weird, undeserved, role in the family as someone who doesn't have feelings, need support or help, needs to step up and get on with things while your sister needs looking after, is so sensitive etc. Unfortunately, this is unlikely to change and you may find it helpful to look at seeing a counsellor to start to mourn the fact that they will never be that support for you that you need and deserve.

Unfortunately it sounds like you may need to find other sources of emotional support (your dh, mn, friends, professionals). So sad for you that they are like this and for your situation.

Spanielcrackers · 03/10/2016 09:01

I'm so sorry.
My parents are emotionally stilted too. It really bloody hurts.

welshweasel · 03/10/2016 09:02

My family have form for becoming bumbling idiots when any sort of bad news is shared. They do usually get over themselves after a while though.

I really hope things turn out better than you'd hoped. I was told I'd never conceive due to myriad of gynae problems and scarring from previous surgery. What they actually meant was I'd never conceive naturally and I had one, successful, IVF cycle. Obviously I don't know the details of our situation but hope that there may be options you can explore.

MillionToOneChances · 03/10/2016 09:07

That sucks. My mother is lovely but absolutely hopeless at empathising with situations she can't fix. I've learned not to seek such support from them. Not everyone is capable of giving the support we might want from them, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're not great in other ways. Though your parents sound very bleak in general.

blitheringbuzzards1234 · 03/10/2016 09:11

I'm sorry you didn't get the response you wanted, mockon and I'm wondering it your parents are either of the 'let's pretend it's not happening' types or can't/don't deal with emotional stuff very well? My parents (though a lot older) kept a stiff upper lip at bad news and didn't like to cry/hug together etc as it was seen as 'weak' and letting yourself go.

That doesn't mean that they weren't saddened by various setbacks - they just didn't like to show it. It gave the impression that they didn't care but they did, very much.

BlancheBlue · 03/10/2016 09:11

So your DH was there and admitted he wouldn't be around much to support and didn't say anything when it was said you are there to do his washing? Confused

Hellochicken · 03/10/2016 09:17

I'm sorry to hear your news and what you have been through.

I don't think the response is untypical of the people I know/family. It is hard to react "in the right way" and it sounds like they were trying to find positives and then changed to trying to change the subject when you got very upset. My parents are very blunt and to the point and often say similar regarding 2 partners dont both have to work and that both can have a more happy home life if one takes on home responsibility and one works for income (they don't mean women shouldnt work, just that if 2 have "heavy" jobs then life can be stressful/less enjoyable).

I'd hate to be touched or hugged at times like that (except by DH but not infront of other people). I feel really awkward when people cry infront of me and never know what to do. What I would want people to do for me is change the subject so I can regain composure, but I haven't had bad news like this to share with my parents, so I can't really say how I'd feel at the time.

MatildaTheCat · 03/10/2016 09:21

That's very sad. I do suspect they were sorry and upset but just lack whatever emotional resources they needed to simply hug you and be there for you. It does sound as if Here is a long history of this so perhaps they never were going to be able to be the way you needed them to be.

For what it's worth I very much limit what I share with my parents and in laws because none of them are good at this on the spot. They do care but cannot seem to react quickly. I tend to either email or drip feed info and then only offer more when I'm specifically asked. Actually they do care very much indeed but have never been any good at hugs or tears.

The day my aunt died, having committed suicide, I asked my dad how he was and he replied, 'tickety boo,' which I was a bit Confused by but that's just how they are.

Much love to you and your dh as you deal with this and I hope it isn't the end of the road regarding fertility.

LateToTheParty · 03/10/2016 09:22

YADNBU. We where in a similar situation when we broke the news to MIL that we couldn't have children. Her response (& subsequent behaviour) caused DH to go no contact with her for about 6 months. He was doubly devastated (male factor infertility) and it was horrible, given that it was a time where we could really have done with the support, and made us question whether we could risk opening up to anyone else about it. Fortunately other family and some unlikely friends were far kinder, and in time we recovered the relationship with MIL.

All the best to you and DH as you process the news and decide what to do next. Flowers

sarahnova69 · 03/10/2016 09:29

mockon, I am so sorry. FlowersFlowersFlowers

TBH, I can see my parents reacting in this way. They're loving and good people - but they struggle to discuss anything emotional, or to give emotional support. But if, as you say, there is a long history of them not being able to treat you as a person, I'm sure this was additionally hard and that may not be relevant. I think, in that case, you will need to protect yourself from being vulnerable to them and adjust your own expectations. Which is hard and cruel and should not be necessary. You've had such an awfully hard time. I'm glad your partner supports you - please take extra good care of yourself and do lots of talking to someone helpful, ideally a counsellor.

It sounds like you aren't working right now - are you volunteering/job-hunting/doing something else to help fill the hours and distract you? I'm sorry if that sounds crass and simplistic, but in all honesty, it's one of the most helpful things you can do. Having too much time to think about things is often really unhelpful and distraction and activity (not to mention company) can be worth their weight in gold.

Also, this:
It reads like a really awful British play.

You are a cracking writer and reproduced that conversation wonderfully. It really does sound like a magnificently tragicomic, brilliantly cringeworthy British play. Please write one, using your parents as material. It may even be cathartic. The coffeepot detail nearly killed me.

justilou · 03/10/2016 09:39

That honestly sounds like the unfiltered noise people make when they are afraid to make an awful/sad situation worse while they're in the middle of processing their own reactions..... I'm sorry you've had such awful news and have found no tangible help.

Struay0verthesea · 03/10/2016 09:44

You poor thing.
Bizarrely though, reading your really excellent piece of writing about their reaction has helped me stand back and look at my own parents inadequate response to my miscarrige. I won't go into it as this is your post, but what I can see from your writing is that your parents had a shock, most likely couldn't quite take it in "is that what they said?" and then became flustered and blustered around saying the wrong thing and it just got worse and worse for you.
If wonder if this happened over the weekend if you might hear from them soon with a more considered and supportive response. They may well now have lots of questions for you as it sounds like they didn't give you any chance to talk about what the doctors had suggested, e.g. might there be fertility treatment that they can help you with?

I've found in my experience of telling people bad news some naturally know the right thing to say (even if it's nothing more than "I'm really sorry I don't know what to say" or "wow, that's really shit") to others who don't acknowledge what's happened and merely say "wow, you look so great and amazingly well" - I think that was FILs clumsy attempt to say something nice - to others who conversely have had such an emotional response I have ended up comforting them.

I guess what I am saying is that people are strange, and some just don't do the emotional side of things well (it will all be learnt from their own upbringing), but it doesn't mean that they don't care. I too wondered why I didn't just say to my parents "I'm really upset here and I need a hug" but somehow that didn't happen. I have had to come to the sad realisation that whilst they have many strengths, timely emotional support isn't one of them, and I've got DH and friends to call on for that.

Don't jump to any conclusions or do or say anything rash. There is a relationships board here which someone has already referred to (out of the fog is frequently mentioned on that page) but I think at the moment you step back and give it some time.

I also agree that the support they give your sister sounds practical rather than emotional. I'm sure if you asked for that they'd be really good at that too.

In the meantime, you've had crap news, you need time to reflect and process it, try not to let their response take up too much of your emotional headspace. Flowers

dowhatnow · 03/10/2016 09:47

When DD was a baby and toddler she disliked cuddles and would struggle to get down. DS was the opposite and was constantly all over us. We eventually stopped asking DD for cudddles and it was only when she was a 8ish that we realised she would now be receptive to them and was in fact jealous of her brother. We didn't love her less, it just developed that way. What I am trying to say is that your family dynamics have evolved into your sister being the needy one and you being the strong non maternal one. It doesn't mean they don't care but they are at sea now, having never seen you upset as you are. They don't know how to respond. It sounds like they have tried hard to be supportive but have just got it massively wrong. Perhaps say to them you just need a hug. Tell them what you want and need. It won't be easy to change the dynamics but hopefully they'll try, if you let them know what you need.

Thanks for you. It must be really hard.

LadyMoth · 03/10/2016 09:47

OMG OP "there are lots of collared doves", the coffee pot and the rest of it! FFS! Shock

They are putting their discomfort and stiff upper lip above what you need, a big hug, to be allowed to cry your heart out and feel supported, and be told they will help you in any way they can. You poor thing.

I have an unsupportive, difficult mum (and my dad is off the scene) and I understand how this makes you feel. It's nothing to do with their age though. I've been through a tough time recently and my much older neighbour gave me the unconditional, motherly hug and caring words I have been missing all my life. Just for a few seconds I felt what it must be like to have that warmth from a mum.

I'm so so sorry about your news. I hope you will find a way to be happy and have what you want and need, and whatever ways. Flowers

Witchend · 03/10/2016 09:48

I could see my parents reacting like that. In fact I'm sure my df reaction would have been to get me a cup of tea (I don't drink tea) and suggest we went out for a long walk into the country (I hate long walks).

But my parents are very loving. Dm would certainly have been as upset at the thought of no grandchildren from me as I was not to have children. But she'd have tried not to show it.

RortyCrankle · 03/10/2016 09:50

Infertility sucks big time. I know because I couldn't have children but they are right that there are worse things in life and it doesn't sound as if they were being malicious or mean, obviously sad for you but not really knowing what to say that could make you feel better. Actually there is nothing they could say that would take your pain away.

Wishing you well, OP.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 03/10/2016 09:53

I'm so sorry, of course you needed a hug - but my parents would have done something like that too!

They (my DPs) "weren't brought up to be emotional" and were probably, in their own way, trying to say what they thought were nice things & not get upset in front of you.

It doesn't mean they aren't sad for you, or worried for you. They just don't feel it's the done thing to show it.

Flowers
BillSykesDog · 03/10/2016 09:57

I suffered from infertility which was successfully treated. One thing I know from spending a lot of time on fertility boards is that it is very hard to react, because almost every reaction will upset someone. Some people would be upset if a big fuss was made of it as they would feel that their family were saying it was the only important thing and everything else in their life was not worthwhile, some people are very upset by 'helpful' suggestions re adoption and fostering which assume you can just go and pick up a baby like that, some people are upset if their family try and be stoic about it like yours.

Your family missed the mark with you. It must have been really upsetting. But I don't think they meant to hurt you. Flowers

LittleLionMansMummy · 03/10/2016 09:59

Oh op, all they had to do was give you a big hug and listen. I'm so very sorry Flowers

My dsis was given this news when she was 20 and was devastated, as were my parents for her. But I do recall that they just didn't know what to say to make it better. Mum told me years later that she was always used to being able to 'kiss it better' with our physical pain and it hurt her immensely not to know how to make it better for my sister. She was also very angry at the injustice of it all, but likewise had nowhere to direct that anger. Infertility is very hard for people to respond to for a whole host of reasons. Your parents sound like they were clumsily searching for words and failing. I'd give it some time before telling them that you were hurt by their response. You might be surprised by their reaction.

Why did they mention cancer do you think? Has one of them been diagnosed/ fought cancer recently? I guess that could give them a different outlook.

Incidentally, dsis went on to have a little girl by IVF. My niece is now 7 years old.

Give yourself time to process everything. Good luck. Flowers

TinklyLittleLaugh · 03/10/2016 10:00

Yeah mine would have been like that. And to be horribly honest, it's possible I would be like that to my own daughters; we're not great at articulating the love in our house, our support is often practical. It doesn't mean the love's not there though.

I do hope that when they have had time to process it they will be able to support you in an emotional way too.

And yes, scant consolation, but you are a brilliant writer.

mycatstares · 03/10/2016 10:04

So sorry.

I think your parents meant well but had no idea what to say. I guarantee when you leave they will most likely break down and have a cry. I think their trying to be strong for you.Flowers

Secretmetalfan · 03/10/2016 10:04

So sorry you are going through this infertility is absolutely shit, one of the worst feelings is loneliness and isolation and you do need support. Having said that some people are shit at dealing with things and struggle to say the right things. Sometimes you just have to explicitly say what you need. They have also had a shock too and part of their dreams probably shattered. I think tgey were trying to be helpful. Maybe talk to them again once the news has chance to sink in. Meanwhile I'd strongly suggest counciling, seeking out the support of help groups both online and RL. And taking some time to nurture yourself, what do you want your future to look like, a career? Adoption? Fostering? Volunteering? Keeping the status quo?

Helenluvsrob · 03/10/2016 10:10

Hugs OP.

It was a clumsy British response to bad news . They didn't do what some hateful parents/in laws have done on MN in the past and made it all about how they'll never have grand kids etc at least.

They aren't perfect but it's clear they love and care for you

WhiteDraig · 03/10/2016 10:14

I don't know why so many people on the thread are falling over themselves to excuse inadequacy!

I think they were clueless trying to comfort OP as I've seen much worse responses IMO which were meant really kindly.

In DH family it would have been a long list of people told they were never able to have children who did - often after a holiday - followed by oh you could adopt - as if that was easy and would sort the issue. IL family have done this to DH cousin - they honestly thought they were being nice and all the polite shut ups they got back made no impact.

In my family it would be a hugh long list of medical stuff they've vaguely head of but will talk like experts and out woo stuff that would fix the problem. They do this for other things - so assume it would have a similar response.

Had a friend who's family told her her miscarriages, still birth and disabled child were god's way of testing her faith but he wouldn't put a burden oh her she couldn't cope with. Her family were incredibly loving and helpful to her and couldn't understand her anger at at this meant to be comforting response.

I am sorry OP Flowers for your situation and not getting the response from your parents you needed.

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