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To think this isn't the most helpful response to big life news?

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mockonmockon · 03/10/2016 07:50

Sitting on the sofa at my parents' house.

"I'm afraid I have some bad news, I say. You know all those operations I had? Well, we have found out that because of what as happened I'm probably infertile".
"Did they actually say that?" asks mum.
"Yes, because there is too much scarring from the operations", I say, starting to cry a little bit.
"Have you been trying?" asks dad, in surprise.
"Yes" I say "that's how we know".
There is a long silence.
"I'm sorry" I say in the end.
"There are worse things that can happen, you know" says Dad. "A lot worse. A lot of people have it worse.

You need to count your blessings."
"Never mind" says Mum, with finality in her tone. "You have things to do, like your allotment."
Silence.
"Having children is not an easy decision" says Mum. "You're crying now, but if you had children, you'd just cry about that instead. I brought you back from the hospital, this lovely, tiny little baby and I cried because I was so terrified".
"That's right" says my dad, "having children. Isn't an easy option. It might not be right for you anyway, you're not really maternal. You have DH."
"I'm worried" says DH"I'm at work a lot now and not around much to support. She's on her own a lot".
"You're role is to support your DH. He has a high-flying job. You can help out around the house" says Dad. "You are a team. Doing the washing is really important."
"You should go out" says Mum.
"There's not much to do in the day" I say. "Everyone is either working or in Mum and baby groups. She says I can work at a charity shop.
"So many birds in the garden" says DH - they are all trying to distract now because I am now crying harder and wrestling with tissues.
"Yes, there are lots of collared doves" says Mum. "When we moved in they were rare, but now there are loads. They don't go out the front of the house, though, so people out there in the street don't know what they are. Ben came over once and was really surprised at them" (opens arms in show of surprise).
Dad comes in with coffee.
"Look at our lovely coffee pot" says Mum. "Your sister has one too, only hers is bigger and can make more cups. It cost forty pounds but it has been worth it".
Then Mum says "Life is tough, you only get glimmers of good times then big blows, like cancer. Get used to it."
"It's good to have a good cry, though."
My Dad comes in brandishing a computer "Look at my nature videos" he says.

We watch 34 of them while everyone pretends I'm not crying. At no point does anyone give me a hug or even touch me. I have never felt so alone.

Shortly after this, I make my excuses and leave.

OP posts:
SarahLinden · 03/10/2016 08:16

I'm sorry for your bad news.

When people react like this, they're often attempting to soothe themselves as well as you. I'm sure your parents were distressed by what you said - for your hopes and dreams and felt pain for what you're going through, because they love you.

By clumsily attempting to point out a 'bright' side, they're trying to comfort you and themselves in the best way they know how, when they're caught off guard.

What they've said may not be what you would have wanted them to say but try to forgive them. They're hurting for you too.

I hope you can come to terms with your situation. I'm sorry for your sense of loss.

NicknameUsed · 03/10/2016 08:16

"Oldies just don't know or get it sometimes."

I don't know whether to report this offensive post or not.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 03/10/2016 08:16

So there's more to the situation then?

myownprivateidaho · 03/10/2016 08:16

I don't know your situation OP, but if they are generally loving I wouldn't assume that they don't consider you a person. The way they help your sister sounds very practical and actually the kind of support that was in line with their reaction here.

I could be wrong, but just thinking of my own parents. I remember telling my mum about the death of a dear friend, and she did the thing of "oh dear I'd better make some tea... you know, everything happens for a reason... have you seen these gladioli" - i.e. panicked attempts to distract that were completely not what the situation called for. But she is generally a loving person.

Don't confuse emotional inarticulacy with lack of love I guess is what I'm saying.

expatinscotland · 03/10/2016 08:17

(((()))). I don't think they meant to be harmful.

GiraffesAndButterflies · 03/10/2016 08:17

Bloody hell, that's dire.

I get that as PP have said people don't always know what to say. But no hug when your daughter is sat there in tears is awful for whatever reason. And to listen to you apologise of all things, bless you, and not say "of course it's not your fault" or "we love you" or something like that is horrible. Talking about fucking birds in the garden would have made me want to scream at them.

FlowersFlowersFlowers and a from me which you should have had from your family. Was your DH there? Was he doing anything remotely useful like having an arm around you at least?

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 03/10/2016 08:17

Nickname I wondered that - or whether to let the offensive shite stand

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/10/2016 08:18

Oldies don't know or get it sometimes

Nothing like a bit of ageism first thing in the morning.

Flowers for you OP

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 03/10/2016 08:18

And perhaps they thought your DH would hug you.

paddlenorapaddle · 03/10/2016 08:19

So sorry Flowers op that sounds awful, there's something in your op which tells me you might be wise to have a look at a website called outofthefog.net " they say I'm not maternal and don't deserve children"
Is classic text book narcissistic wording to the family scapegoat

Just putting that out there rather typically British bumbling

Sending you hugs xox

salamandress · 03/10/2016 08:22

It's great you've written it down. Writing it may help organise your feelings. I hope you get better support from your friends or others. I'm sorry you're hurting Sad

mockonmockon · 03/10/2016 08:24

They're not really generally loving, no. Sad They struggle to see me as a person with feelings.

OP posts:
Youarenotprepared · 03/10/2016 08:24

It sounds like a clumsy effort to comfort from people who don't know how to do that.

I don't think they are saying you are not maternal and don't deserve kids either. I think they are trying to convince both themselves and you that everything is fine because you didn't want kids anyway right?

It's super insensitive but I don't think there is malice in it, it's just thoughtless. It's big news and especially if your previous ops were ones from when you were younger they may be feeling incredibly guilty and struggling to process.

It will take time for you all to adjust. Please give yourself and them that time. I hope you can find the support you need. Flowers

Chikara · 03/10/2016 08:26

Flowers - so sorry op - that is hard.

It is a fairly typical response in many ways. No-one ever knows exactly what to say in these circumstances. My parents would have done pretty much the same. It was clumsy and a bit insensitive and awful for you but they clearly were not comfortable with the "announcement" from the sofa.

In the end this is for you and your DH to deal with and other people's reactions are by the by. I really hope that you feel a bit better about this soon. (I know that sounds trite)

FWIW when my friend told me something similar she said she just wanted us to know and that the worst thing people could do was dwell on it. Everyone is different.

myownprivateidaho · 03/10/2016 08:26

They struggle to see me as a person with feelings.

Well, I guess you have to not have them as your emotional support, if you know this about them. You'll always be disappointed.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 03/10/2016 08:28

Did your DH hug/comfort you during all this? If not, I find that odder tbh. I don't hug my parents now I'm an adult (and haven't since I became a teen) but your DH was there.

2kids2dogsnosense · 03/10/2016 08:29

Agree with Cremebrulee.

They are upset, too and want to give you reassurance and comfort but don't know how to. This will have knocked them for six as well, and they have probably had a little weep after you left.

It was a slightly bizarre way of coping, but we all have different strategies, and this has given them a shock as it came out of the blue. They didn't mean to be unsupportive, I'm sure.

It's very sad news for you though. Your heart must be breaking.

Lilacpink40 · 03/10/2016 08:29

If you were my DD I'd say how important a person you are to all your family and friends, hold you and listen to your pain.

Then I'd ask what you want to do about it.

I want to give them a good shake and say "wake up this is wrong", but I get the feeling that it wouldn't accomplish anything.

I have similar issues with my parents and often find myself imagining what a more human response would be. It's not our fault that our parents aren't able to be more supportive.

What is up to you is how you respond. I don't mean by what you say, but what you do. What do you need?

For instance, counselling, physical activity, more fertily tests, holiday, more time with your DH, looking into adoption/fostering, is your work ok?

Sorry I'm a practical person, so suggesting planning actions, but may help to look ahead? Flowers

Footle · 03/10/2016 08:30

Yes , great bit of ageism - so sensitive. It's a huge piece of news for OP's parents to digest in its effect on themselves as well. They didn't comfort her properly. It was and is painful for all of them. It's hard to have the right response ready.

acasualobserver · 03/10/2016 08:34

It's hard and hurtful when one's parents just don't get it. My advice would be to find people who do - there are boards here, for instance, where you would find knowledgeable and sympathetic people to talk to.

BipBippadotta · 03/10/2016 08:39

What a dreadful response. I am so sorry. My mother (who I love to bits) said some similar things to me after a stillbirth & multiple miscarriages: 'it's not as though children make you happy, you know. Lots of people don't even like their children.' That and 'loads of women choose not to have children these days and have perfectly happy lives.' Somehow missing that for me this was not a choice.

I think some people, however much they love you, simply cannot deal with others' pain and loss. They feel affronted by it. They feel responsible for providing a solution, and if their solution doesn't fix the problem (or at least make you stop talking about it more or less immediately), well then you must have a bad attitude and no wonder you're sad.

However well meant, it's not helpful. Which is a shame as it's so easy to be helpful - just by offering a hug and listening rather than talking. Really really sorry, OP - I have a sense of what you're going through & it's a very lonely place.

RhiWrites · 03/10/2016 08:40

Mockon, I am so sorry. Your parents response was awful and I don't think people here telling you that they probably meant well will help.

You need time to cry and scream and rage. And you need a big hug. It sounds as though your husband has your back and I hope that true.

I know you know this but you have options. Take some time to figure out what this means for you and your life.

And for what it's worth, speaking as a professionally published writer, that was an incredible piece of writing. I was right there with you in that horrible conversation.

I hope there are some better things ahead for you. You sound as though you at still be in shock. Be kind to yourself.

Wayfarersonbaby · 03/10/2016 08:45

OP, you must be feeling so let down by them Flowers

I don't know why so many people on the thread are falling over themselves to excuse inadequacy!

Your parents were inadequate here. There is no two ways about it. A hug, a quiet touch, and an "I'm so sorry love, can I help in any way?" is not a big ask. Most adults are able to provide this. Yapping about birds and saying rubbish about crying and other people have it worse is crass and insensitive in the extreme.

My parents can do similar things - not exactly like this, but they get angry and aggressive if I ask for support in any way - even when I was going through awful things that happened to me, like serious illness of a partner - but, like you, they have no problem giving sympathy and support to my siblings. It's just me who they seem to think doesn't deserve any support. It's heartbreaking.

Can you find a good counsellor to talk to, not just about the big sorrow of infertility but also about your parents? I found that in some ways the way my parents treated me was worse to process - it wasn't my fault what had happened to me in life, but somehow I had internalised the feeling that the way my parents treated me was my fault somehow. It's taken a long time to accept that it isn't my fault, and that they have been and continue to be inadequate.

Flowers OP - I wish you all the very best.

GingerbreadLatteToGo · 03/10/2016 08:54

(((Oh love 💐)))

What a horrible response, not at all what one would expect from their parents.

It reads like a really awful British play.

i do think though, that what you heard was 'you don't deserve kids' but just reading that, it doesn't really say that. It sounds much more like 'n idea what to say, let's try to make it better, oh crap...hmmm...kids aren't the be all & end all..hmmm errr...your DH needs support'. Totally & utterly crap, but not saying you don't deserve children.

I hope that 'probably infertile' ends up being 'oh look, you're not!' And I hope you & DH can support each other through this & that you have good friends to help you both 💐

Dragongirl10 · 03/10/2016 08:55

So very sorry op that is hard news to receive, not helped by your families response.

Its not OK and they should try a damn sight harder to acknowledge your pain, it is their inadequacies and you will never change them sadly.

Please talk to good friends who will understand and support you coming to terms with this, sometimes our parents cannot be what we want then to be.

Please don't try and bury your heartbreak, talk your feelings over with DH and understanding friends........Big hug from me.