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to ask if you would vote for Corbyn and what area of the country you are in?

753 replies

WillyW8nker · 27/09/2016 14:43

Just curious as to whether Corbyn's re-election means his popularity is better than the polls suggest and also if there is a divide in the geographical location of his supporters.

So, would you vote for Corbyn if there was a GE tomorrow and what part of the country are you in?

Me: I would vote for him. I am in London.

OP posts:
EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/10/2016 20:54

Hypothetical children are very easy to make choices for

Faced with your child being in an oversubscribed badly performing school that struggles with discipline (and this is a primary school) low test results though somehow mangled to get an outstanding for progress you might just change your mind

ds thankfully had the option to go to a few paying school and there was nothing to consider other than what was best for him

stonecircle · 01/10/2016 21:01

Enthusiasm - that's very true about hypothetical children. I remember a work colleague and I giving another colleague a hard time about private education. We were both in our 20s then. Fast forward a few decades and her children have been to an elite public school and mine have all been to grammar school.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/10/2016 21:02

So Ruth Smeeth has imagined it all and we should ignore her views based on her experiences Hmm

Nakatomi · 01/10/2016 21:03

PigletisPoohsFriend

I officially joined last year yes, but my union does have very close links with Labour even though we're not officially affiliated with them, so I've known the party a lot longer.

I never said there wasn't anti-semitism, just that the media has blown it way out of proportion.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/10/2016 21:06

I never said there wasn't anti-semitism, just that the media has blown it way out of proportion

There shouldn't be any full stop.

I have been a Labour Party member, campaigner and activist for many years.

I have never felt threatened before. I do now.

JC does nothing about it. Actions speak louder than words.

Always easier to blame the press though, or a conspiracy rather than admit a problem and deal with it.

Nakatomi · 01/10/2016 21:07

Well my hypothetical children might very soon become real ones as we're hoping to adopt next year. I'm firm on my belief they will never go to a fee paying school. A grammar school maybe but if possible I'd like them to go to the school I did my training in, which should be no problem as we live within the catchment area of it. I would ideally like them to attend the school I teach at now but I think that's unfair on kids - could be seen as preferential treatment, cramping their style etc.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/10/2016 21:08

There should be no anti semitism

That there is any is unacceptable that the press are being accused of blowing it out of proption wtf how can you blow it out of propionate a Jewish labour MP is under police protection

NNChangeAgain · 01/10/2016 21:10

I teach in a comprehensive, consider myself working class

Grin You're a qualified teacher and consider yourself "working class"?
Really?

If JCs definition of w/c includes teachers, and he plans to bring everyone's standard of living potential up to exceed that of teachers, I may just vote for him Grin

Nakatomi · 01/10/2016 21:14

Yes NNChangeAgain I do. I was the only one of my four siblings to attend university and all of my immediate family going several generations back were miners or labourers. I come from a mining town and still consider myself working class. I went to uni on a scholarship because I did well at school, simple as.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/10/2016 21:15

I wish you every success with your adoption plans

I also live in a catchment area with really good schools and not so good schools as I said before ds got into a poor school I would never put my political beliefs before what is best for ds

sandyholme · 01/10/2016 21:19

I was the only one of my family including parents and cousins numbering 16 not to go to University ! Come to think of it i was the only one to 'Fail' the 11+ as well...

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/10/2016 21:23

So when do you not consider yourself 'working class' then?

Is Lord Sugar working class then as if it goes by your upbringing he came from very humble beginnings?

Nakatomi · 01/10/2016 21:26

Yes, because I think it depends on your parents, not your current wealth or job title. My kids will probably consider themselves middle class because both me and my partner are in jobs that require a degree but I firmly believe I'm still working class. If my kids for (whatever reason) decide to go into a vocational job that doesn't require higher education, then my grandkids would probably be working class again.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/10/2016 21:32

Yes, because I think it depends on your parents, not your current wealth or job title.

So you can be a millionaire and working class.

Wow.

Doordye · 01/10/2016 21:40

Long time party member. NW and working class.

I've voted for him twice, most of the reasons not to vote for him on this thread are from the RW media.

RaeSkywalker · 01/10/2016 21:43

No, I wouldn't (I am a labour voter).

I'm genuinely concerned that the current situation in Labour will cause such chaos that the left will be weakened for a very long time. I hope that this isn't the case.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/10/2016 21:43

I've voted for him twice, most of the reasons not to vote for him on this thread are from the RW media.

Oh yes the old media conspiracy theories....

RaeSkywalker · 01/10/2016 21:44

^ sorry, posted before adding that I live in East Anglia. And I guess that DH and I are middle class, though our families are working class.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/10/2016 21:46

Are most people are not intelligent enough to work out media bias ?

mycatwantstokillme1 · 01/10/2016 21:47

Yes, yes, yes
London (currently a Tory borough)

GrumpyDullard · 01/10/2016 21:47

I overheard the following conversation in a pub in Oxford, many years ago:
Man 1: You're not working class.
Man 2: Of course I am. My dad was a miner.
Man 1: No you're not: you're a don at New College.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/10/2016 21:49

Are most people are not intelligent enough to work out media bias

Anything that is anti JC is 'media bias' apparently. To some he can do no wrong and it is always someone else's fault Wink

sandyholme · 01/10/2016 21:55

I guess that means 'ANGELA RAYNOR' is middle class ! Good grief...

The Working/Middle Class thing is totally out of date and is only used incidentally by 'left' wing academics.
I think they do this because they want analyse why 'low skilled' white men from Rochester wont vote Labour. It is easier for them to put such people in to subsections i.e 'racist' or poorly educated and thus designate them as Working Class!

With the exception of the 'upper'class who are a law to themselves, the only thing that matters is how 'comfortable' and can you afford not only your needs but your wants !

Hence, the real 'Aristocracy' today is likes of Wayne Rooney and wait for it JOEY BARTON !.

NNChangeAgain · 01/10/2016 21:56

Yes, because I think it depends on your parents, not your current wealth or job title.

As a teacher, do you not accept the conventional definition of the term?

The OED defines working class as:
The social group consisting of people who are employed for wages, especially in manual or industrial work

For the purposes of clarity, the OED also describes "wages" as:
a fixed regular payment earned for work or services, typically paid on a daily or weekly basis.

You have illustrated my point perfectly. There are tranches of the m/c who believe they will be untouched by the wealth redistribution proposed by Labour.

I can assure you that if Labour were ever to get into power, teachers would not be considered to be part of the "working class". As a professional, the OED places you firmly in the middle classes, irrespective of your parents status.

You could be a case study of social mobility.

Limelight · 01/10/2016 21:58

I am a 'tribal' Labour voter (if that makes sense) but not a member. I voted Lib Dem once - because of Iraq.

I'm a bit torn because we have an extremely good local labour MP. In some ways, the thing that makes me think I won't vote Labour is that she has been absolutely destroyed by the Corbyn wing of the party in recent months, and this has been grossly unfair. I appreciate that sounds contrary.

Also I agree with many of the anti-Corbyn sentiments expressed in other posts - more and more I think being a good PM is about competence and the capacity to listen to advice and evidence, and I just don't think he is capable of that. Don't get me wrong, Cameron wasn't competent either, and Ed Milliband really was a waste of space. I just don't think JC is the answer - sorry Sad

I live in London and work in the sort of industry which means I'm surrounded by JC supporters so I'm constantly getting in the neck - apparently I'm a red Tory, a Blairite (please see above about Iraq), and don't care about ordinary people. None of that is true.

I am originally from the NE and the split on my social media feeds is stark - all of the Corbyn supporters I know are middle class Londoners, my friends and family from home are extremely anti JC. And I am from a labour heartland town which traditionally votes Labour because (as my DM said to me last week) 'it's how we were brought up'. My retired trade unionist DF has left the party and is gutted. My parents have said that they will vote Lib Dem next time around, and this despite that fact that their local MP is a friend of my DF. Their reason for this is that EVERYONE they know is voting UKIP and they don't believe Labour has got the remotest grasp on the threat this represents in towns like theirs.

Oh and a last point... the most irritating conversation I've had is with a work colleague who suggested that JC would win back the north because he 'looks like a working class northern voter' Hmm.

Actually, that was quite cathartic! No one shout at me but I've been saying nothing about politics in recent months because I just find everything so devastating - this is hugely unlike me, believe me! So it's nice to say this out loud.

As you were everyone. Smile