To think this takes not vaccinating to a whole new level

[Swanlaked]

DD has a child at school who has cancer. The school sent a letter home asking all parents to please think about giving their child the MMR if they haven't had it and also to inform them immediately if any child was in contact with chicken pox.

One of the mums at the school is still refusing to have her 3DC vaccinated. No health issues it's big pharma/poison/conspiracy theory crap

AIBU at this point to think the school should seek removal of the children and tell the bloody thicko to find another school for them?

"Did you look up the WHO and Vitamin A?"

Yes, vitamin A deficiency is a risk factor in measles complications.

This does not mean that if you give any child loads of vitamin A when they get measles they will only get a mild dose, or that only people with vitamin A deficiency die or have serious complications from measles. Most people in this country are not vitamin A deficient - the WHO recommendation to give vit A to children with measles is for developing countries.

Actually, isn't dosing people up on vitamin A dangerous if they're not deficient, what with it being toxic in large quantities?

Yes kali Obviousy I did get your point and addressed it on the nose.

Leedy: Measles depletes vitamin A even if you have enough at the onset. So no, not dangerous, that's why it diminishes morbidity and mortality.

this is just measles mind. Not other diseases.

Iyes i did look up the vitamin a link and measles and there is no conusive link they state.
It has helped some ( however this has been in kids who have had a deficiency) and that there were other factors involved so can not state conclusively.

Overdosing on vit a can cause skeletal problems.

It's fine if the source is beta carotene. The body only converts what it needs

Yes - I wonder if you read my previous post about measles depleting Vitamin A.

I chose not to vaccinate to the current schedule because I believe that vaccines permanently compromise the immune system. That is what I believe and many other scientists and doctors agree."

Could you name some?

www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/02/13/vaccines-get-the-full-story/

Yes, it has helped SOME, not all. There is still no consistent link.
There were many possible factors.
The results were not consistent.

I think that website lost any pretence at credibility when it said 'autism is associated with vaccines', Beg. If it hadn't already.

A measles infection leaves you more vulnerable to other infections

www.newscientist.com/article/dn27481-measles-leaves-you-vulnerable-to-a-host-of-deadly-diseases/

The vaccination removes that risk.

Sorry to hear that Jaxhog, it is a very nasty thing to get, I hope you are fully recovered. Maybe people have just not experienced how vile and dangerous these diseases are, we thankfully don't see them that much now - so maybe they don't realise the risk to health and life if you get it or you pass it on. If WC or any other immunities wanes in adulthood, then we should be getting boosters. I could never have forgiven myself it I had passed it on to a baby or someone who can't be vaccinated for it. If people have adverse reactions to jabs then they should be exempt and the rest of the population being vaccinated would help protect them.

Jassy, like I said earlier. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine

I'm really happy with my decision :) People come to their own conclusions. I think the more people look into it the more cautious they get. I've read too many said stories of vaccine damaged children whose injuries were dismissed to trust the 'official' figures.

Beg2differ- I randomly googled one of the experts on your list. this is what came up. I'll try a few more later in case she's a
Quack that they missed during their checking procedures.

Ellsteeth - surely huge multinational companies would not design and market a product to infants if they knew it could cause them significant harm? I can think of several who targeted developing countries to sell formula to despite knowing that they did not have the necessary sanitation to make it up safely. They already made millions from Europe/USA but that wasn't enough.

Redspotty: what a lovely thought.

You could google pharmaceutical scandals.

I've come to this thread late but I am a mum to one of those children with cancer. The people who don't vaccinate are so selfish. I've spent the last 3 years worrying about him catching chicken pox, measles and all the other germs going round. Any chicken pox scare means at least 3 days in hospital each timegiven IV antibiotics, and pox and measles can be fatal. He can't have his immunisations until 6 months after he finishes chemo so worried until then. I expect there will be some people out there who blame the vaccinations for his cancer. Makes me mad.

Here's another one Tedd koren

The school could instead request that the parents let them know if their kids have been vaccinated, then make a reasonable adjustment, i.e. swap the non vaxers with vaxers from another class so that the child who is undergoing chemo is in a class full of vaxers?

It doesn't work in a school with one form entry, nor does it safeguard the vulnerable child in communal areas such as toilets, the dining room and the hall.

William Thomson

Winchester - what do you mean by a lovely thought?

surely huge multinational companies would not design and market a product to infants if they knew it could cause them significant harm?

This. I'm sorry, I was being facetious.

I believe that having a strong immune system is generally the best defence.

And what are you going to do, Beg2differ, if tomorrow your child has an illness which severely weakens their immune system and renders them particularly vulnerable to measles, chicken pox, mumps etc? Will you still believe that vaccination is the more harmful option?