... to expect people who use parent & baby car parking spaces to have children with them?

[fryalot]

Or am I the only who gets fed up of waiting for a space because they are all filled with lazy b***ds who can't be bothered to walk an extra yard?

OMG winestein. Do you know I ended up somehow (god knows how because I'm careful to never let it happen), on my own with the 3 kids in the car. And there was nowhere to park, except around the corner and on the other side of the road. And I couldn't work out how to get the 3 children into the house without risking losing one of them, and I cursed myself for being crap and not sorting this out. In the end it was a complete nightmare, ds1 wanted to do his business with the neighbours window, ds3 wouldn't walk in the same direction as ds1 wanted to go- he ended up lying down on the street, ds1 was still trying to do his thing with the neighbours windows straining at my hand, thank god for ds2.

Am off to find your CAT now.........

hunker I am drinking beer for a change rather than wine and you've just made me choke on the bubbles. And I was accused of being rude earlier (for calling people princesses ).

pmsl @ your email address winestein!

IMHO - couldn't give a stuff about P & T spaces - nice enough but not essential, but disabled parking is pretty much sacrosanct. Then again nearly all my shopping is done with bus and buggy!

Sorry, Jimjams

I have firsthand experience of this - I was 22, slim, not unattractive - and had an orange badge (as they were then). The looks I got - from other people with badges, from the general public - I was Not Popular wherever I was parked (for "taking up a space" or "walking too slowly across the car park").

I don't need it now, but I do have more empathy than some of the emptyheaded idiots on this thread.

yes, my friend in her mid twenties had an orange badge due to ongoing affects of a benign pancreatic tumour - some disabilities/conditions are invisible I bet even to the trained eye, never mind us supermarket shoppers.

PMSL @ walking too slowly!!!

How did society get to this?. I know I've banged on about it on this thread but I am genuinely shocked when people beep at ds1 to hurry up getting onto his school bus. I mean OK maybe they think he's off to some school for badly behaved children, but some of the other children on the bus are very obviously disabled. How caught up in your own life is it possible to be to beep at them for inconveniencing you.

I really think that people who do that are sick. How can you get irritated by disabled people inconveniencing you? Last time it hapened (very recently) the escort told me to give the woman the benefit of the doubt in case she'ddone it by accident, so I did; then she screamed up off the road revving her engine as soon as the bus drove off, and I wished I'd given her one of my stares. Silly cow.

JJ - really! Can you only muster a stare for folk like that.....?

I like P & T spaces. They help me to not scratch my car with the trolley

Well except for the one time...

Which reminds me....must get bb's renewed.....

don't get me started on the school bus. we managed to get the school bus stop moved to a quiet car park due to this sort of thing and also DD legging accross the road when she saw a dog. having a new battle now trying to get the school bus to pick my two up from the house due to DH being so ill that i can't leave him, transport people say no because we live on a close and they are not allowed to reverse whilst kids are on the bus.

PMSL - I've managed to hit my car full whack with the trolley before.

Believe me I have a very scary stare (complete with crossed arms) and I follow their car up the road

i'd just set my kids on them, that would work

OJ that sounds like madness!

Ds1's school bus reverses. If they can't reverse with kids on the bus then they'll have to pick up your dds first won't they. OR they'll have to send a taxi. There - you can tell them you've solved the problem. Transport can be complete gits, but worth fighting I think.

ROFL - (I have quite a scrape down one side. You dont notice it so much since i scraped the car down the side of a skip though)

I'd love to see your penetrating stare JJ - maybe we could replace with a lickle piccie of a JJ stare?

well you see if the bus has to reverse with kids on they have to have someone walk behind the bus, who of course has CBR checks, first aid training, risk assesssments, i am sure you get the picture

You need my crossed arms as well for full effect

OJ!

Taxi it is then!

Has this been done before?

You can bet the risk assessments will go down the pan if they think that they have to pay for a taxi- then hey presto bus it will be!

you see i have never managed to do the full on arms crossed bit cos am usually clinging on to at least two kids
i just don't make the grade, is there a course i can do?

Jimjams - I saw one of your posts much further down this thread. Just wanted to let you know that the handbrake on the multipla is on the right hand side of the driver (by the driver's door) and there are no knobs/buttons in front of the left hand passenger seat, (but middle passenger is in front of radio and gear stick so not safe - big mistake when I let my ds sit there).

JimJams....I was googling to find a hard stare and found this and pmsl

Olive.. no, not once, never ever.

JJ.. I have a new address now which is rather more apt (that one is still active though). It's thewomanthatwas@.....
When you get chance, I will always be here to help, don't fret

Is everyone's car park always packed? TBH it never occurs to me to use P&T with my 5 and 2yos. I haven't really bothered with them at all since DD could sit up (at 5 months) and so go in an ordinary trolley. I just part at the back near a trolley bay, and load the kids in that way. Except that I don't even do that anymore. I just park where I feel like, make DS unfasten DD's seatbelt, make them both get out at the same side (2 door car), grab a hand each and away we go to collect a trolley at the front of the store. Then when we get back I open the door for them to climb in and be getting into their seats, unload the shopping, return trolley to nearby bay, reach into back to fasten DD's belt and away we go.

It is really easy. Young children are small and flexible and lithe.

I do realise that I am very lucky jimjams/misdee/peachy etc.

The P&T spaces are the only safe ones at my supermarket. The car park is absolutely packed 90% of the time - you have to drive round and round and sit waiting for a space. Some people drive round there like maniacs and DS in his pushchair is pretty vulnerable. And yes I do expect only people with children to use them, unfortunately not always the case. I've been tempted to nip into one before when I've had the car seat in the car with no DS, but I'm so honest I've opted for driving round and round instead .

I am shocked by some of the messages on here,

one day I went shopping with DH, DS and the DDs, DH took the girls out of the shop, in the trolley, while I had DS in the wheelchair at the Kiosk. Anyway, as he approached our huge motability car, with disbaled stickers on the back and a blue badge displayed, this old man started shouting at DH and really going into one, saying 'you can't park there, YOU'RE not disabled' etc!! DH turned round and calmly said 'oh yes you are right, I'M not, but she is (points to DD1) and so is my son who is still in the shop' When I came out with DS in his wheelchair, the man just blushed and got in his car and drove off very fast

People need to realise that children can be disabled, the amount of times I have had dirty looks because I am blatently not disabled and I always get out first to help DS, until I get out his wheelchair, or if he is walking, when he starts walking then people realise he is the disabled one, not me.