... to expect people who use parent & baby car parking spaces to have children with them?

[fryalot]

Or am I the only who gets fed up of waiting for a space because they are all filled with lazy b***ds who can't be bothered to walk an extra yard?

On line shopping and home deliveries ...

and if you book for a Tuesday/Wed with Sainsburys they charge you about 49p

And saves impulse luxury buying and pester power

I have a disabled 4 yr old and a todler and find shopping a complete nightmare let alone parking.
Would love to try doing my shopping online is it credit cards only or do you pay them when they deliver it ?If anyone could enlighten me i'd be really grateful.

Can I put a little bit of 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their need' in here.
We should have lots of wider, closer spaces for bb cars, lots of wider, closer spaces for P&T, or atleast with covered walkway between the nice wide spaces and the shop. That covers the people who have genuine need.

The 'from each according to their ability' is covered by how much you spend btw.

Then you can have some somewhat closer, somewhat wider spaces which for the sake of argument, we will call 'winker spaces', for all of the people in a rush, people in bmws , businessmen in sportscars buying fags, people with an unoccupied carseats who want to pretend they are with a child etc, etc.

We then just rely on people to accurately guage where they should park.

Oh OK - I know that it all fell apart on that last bit...

credit/debit cards only for online shopping.

squonk - if you were disabled or had a child with a disability I think you would feel differently about people who do so using p and t spaces. Essentially they are a courtesy not a legal requirement unlike disabled parking.

my daughter has a disabled badge but was not entitled to one until she was 3!! Made life very difficult with newborn and child with sn who was not walking.

Even now - sometimes we have to abandon shopping trips due to inability to park in either parent and toddler or disabled spaces. She is now 4 1/2 and to look at her you would not really understand why she has a disabled badge - she can walk BUT road awareness and safety are huge issues for us. She cannot walk across a car park. If I just have dd1 then that is okay - but if I have dd2 and when no3 comes along - no way can I do it. So if I can't get a park in disabled bay - park in p and t.

3andnomore - yes.....

Our local morrisons has 6 P & T parking spaces in the six spaces furthest away from the front door of the shop and another 8 P & T spaces at the opposite end of the car park. (again a good five or six minute walk away from the main door)

I have only ever once been forced to remonstrate with one shopper who took the last P&T place with his WORKS VAN who immediately apologised and moved it to a normal space, then helped me get DS (who was only about ten months old at the time) out of the car and into his buggy.

But i do think that people who park in them because they are closer to the door of the store (and who don't have kids) are being selfish.

Mellow, how would you feel the if it is freezing and you are with Kids but can't get a P&T space or anything nearby because they are all full with people that don't NEED it?

I really think that the problem is that P&T spaces are often NOT used with commonsense, , if all the people using them would actually need them, then there would be no reason for anyone to get annoyed about it, lol...problem solved To easy right?

Eidsvold made a good point there as the road safety thing is often the reason why a motherwith Tots might actually could do with a P&T space, if those are the ones near the door/safe path.
I know for people with non sn Kids this is only a phase, but in that phase they those spaces CAN make the difference.

Just to leap on in here....a thread after my own sopabox. I have a 3 yo so qualify for M&T space and she has a blue badge cos she is in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy.
yet I've been accosted in both types of spaces. One was another mother telling me to take my spastic to the blue badge space when i parked in a M$T bay, the other time was a person telling me cos my DD is 3 we should be in a M&T space and not using up a disabled bay!
You can't win!
My pet hate is when parked outside my house in our disabled bay...my car has 'please leave wheelchair space' written on it yet shoppers (we live 20 yards from a high St) park to within an inch of the back. No way of evening opening the back let alone putting the ramps down and getting the wheelchair in. So I have to pull 90 degrees across the road and then ramp the child in, holding up the traffic, lots of poeple beeping. And there's 4 car parks scattered off the High St but they charge 20 whole pence.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
The only reason I have a stupid car is cos of DD. When the other 3 were younger we managed on the bus and by walking. Soon as this city gets accessible buses the car will go. I hate cars grumble mutter etc etc

Bobolinga, that is terrible...the more I read in this thread, the more I understand why people with disabled/sn children get so wound up by a thread of this kind...

ah I don't think the cold is anything to get hung up about- it's only walking across a car park- - think the body is designed to cope with that.

I remmeber when I was being all PFB about ds1 getting wet and my mum said "oh FGS he won't rust".

bob @ the spastic comment.

still comes down to they are a courtesy NOT a legal requirement for shops to have them unlike disabled spaces....

Bob at the comments....

The disabled bays in supermarket car parks are courtesy only cos they are on private land. Unfortunately. Most supermarkets do check them, the exception being Sainsbury's who refuse to do so.

JimJams, it's a selfish way to think though...isn't it?
But lol at your mums comment

I am pretty sure here in Aus they are a legal requirement - so many per area iyswim.

I thought mellow said earlier that she only parked in them after 6.30 pm- and I must admit I do use them if I'm shopping after kids bed times. I seriously just can;t get worked up about it. I don' park in them myself if I don't have kids with me, but I can't muster up the energy to get irate about it. I do get irate about people parking in disabled bays because (depends on the situation- we're not usually that needy for a disabled bay in a supermarket-we are in other situations) it can mean an absolute meltdown.

in our sainsbury's there's usually blokes in suits on their own in cars eating sandwiches dotted around the special parking areas, or blokes in vans running in. I've asked the Sainsbury's info people about it but they clearly don't want to antagonise money spending customers.

Bobalinga, what a horrible nasty thing to have had said to you about your child (spastic comment) Some people truly do not know how lucky they are

Jimjams, may have misread mellos posts then, but I was under the impression it wasn't solely a matter of after 6.30...evenings are different...Kids shouldn't be out shopping then anyway, lol!

Sorry I didn't come back to this thread....

I just cannot find it within myself to debate/argue/dis-agree with anyone about a parking space......

For the record though, yes its generally after 6ish I use the PT spaces....and my local supermarket is very quiet...hence me using it in the first place.

I can't believe RL people have been so nasty to those of you who are bb holders/parents of bb holders.

I do think they should make general spaces bigger and I would think that 100% of us with non SN children would not be posting on here complaining about how hard done by we are. I, for one, don't care where I park, just about if I can get a toddler and a car seat out of the car without damaging my car or anothers.

Mellow that is o.k. then...you are not selfish then I happily take that back

Thanks...I think!

lol