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to want Candice to leave GBBO next week simply because of all the gurning?

355 replies

HeyNannyNanny · 22/09/2016 12:13

I'd clearly make a crap judge.
She's obviously a fab baker, having won star baker twice but I really really hope next week is her last as all of the pouting is driving me potty.
DP thinks it's because she's trying to hide wrinkles around her mouth, which is insane if it's true.
All the ridiculous gurning is giving me The Rage.

Also, thanks to the Mnetter last week who mentioned Paul using "Mary" in every sentence.
Now that's all I hear.

I'm sure she's lovely btw Blush but I do wish shed keep her mouth still!

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Woody67 · 23/09/2016 16:49

I like her, she seems like a good laugh.

Woody67 · 23/09/2016 16:52

I do, however, find myself getting extremely irritated by Donald Trumps mouth. The Dalai Lama did an impression of him on daybreak (or whatever it's called these days) which was spot on (sorry, slightly off topic)!

FabFiveFreddie · 23/09/2016 18:57

The thing that's most irritating about Candice is that she's utterly, utterly disingenuous. It's all these things together:

  • she's an extremely competent baker and she knows it, otherwise she wouldn't attempt such complicated bakes. I'm so over the little "I don't know if I can do it" when she obviously can. She's hardly going to do an entire baked pub if she's not confident she can pull it off
  • that lipstick IS attention seeking. Nothing wrong with being attention seeking, nothing at all. What's objectionable is seeking attention then claiming shock or horror or levelling accusations of sexism or misogyny when you get that attention
  • put those two things together (clearly confident in her baking skills, clearly confident in her appearance - and again, nothing wrong with either or both of those things at all), and the whole insecure ingenue needing affirmation/other people to say she did well just falls apart. It's so insulting.

Quiet confidence, loud confidence - no problem with either of these things. Faux shyness from someone who clearly is confident - such an utter turn off.

HeyNannyNanny · 24/09/2016 15:03

Freddie has nailed it, I think

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CauliflowerSqueeze · 24/09/2016 15:12

Candice bugs me a bit - she's too over sensitive to the judges' comments.

I like Benjamina best. I really hope she wins. I think she's by far the best.

CauliflowerSqueeze · 24/09/2016 15:14

Love Jane as well actually. Either of those two.
If Selasi hadn't mucked up so many times he would be up there too

SingaSong12 · 24/09/2016 15:23

What Freddir said

SingaSong12 · 24/09/2016 15:23

Sorry Freddie

MumblePuppy · 24/09/2016 16:26

Trouble is, there are a lot of people who do mind a confident young woman Freddie. People who are very happy to criticise, attack, take down a peg or two...just if they see someone who is happy in themselves.

So the confident girl learns to dissimulate a little, because it's more socially acceptable than just being confident and proud...

Oh wait, there are people waiting to attack and criticise there too.

Basically, as a young woman, seems someone is always out to get you, one way or another.

NewPotatoes · 24/09/2016 16:30

Exactly, Mumble. And then confident women who pretend diffidence because they've learned that female confidence doesn't often go over well with other women get accused of being false or disingenuous, so the cycle of criticism continues. Women need to ask themselves why female self-confidence so often fuels female dislike.

NotYoda · 24/09/2016 17:08

I think this thread proves what you say Mumble

A11TheSmallTh1ngs · 24/09/2016 23:14

But Mumble why don't people ever learn humility instead of pretending diffidence? The opposite of arrogance is not simpering passivity, it's calm assertiveness.

I like Candice but this criticism is dumb to me. People are very good at spotting insincerity and generally don't like it. Women don't HAVE to respond to critiques by becoming insincere and two faced.

powershowerforanhour · 25/09/2016 00:14

Because that line of calm assertiveness between being judged to be an arrogant, overconfident annoying cow and a simpering fake poor-me PITA is tightrope thin if you are a pretty young woman in the public eye.

pontificationcentral · 25/09/2016 00:47

Wait, wait, wait. If you duck-face/ trout-pout on national tv week after week, whilst massaging sausage meat and throatily murmuring double entendres, then follow up with posting pictures of yourself in fishnets and hot pants accompanied by leggy poses and more trout pouting (just in case there is a person left on the island who isn't familiar with your trademark), there is a fair chance you are doing it all quite deliberately, no?

I actually don't like trout pouting in and of itself for all sorts of reasons. Therefore it irritates the fuck out of me when Candice does it. I'm fairly ambivalent about Candice herself as a person. It's the pouting thing that grips me.

littleprincesssara · 25/09/2016 01:01

Really? Wearing lipstick means you're inviting all manner of abusive and sexist comments?

I bet you think rape victims were asking for it too.

littleprincesssara · 25/09/2016 01:01

Oh and plenty of people are confident in some areas and insecure in others. It's called being a human being and not a robot.

TrickyD · 25/09/2016 06:46

Please can someone explain exactly how she gets that effect with her lipstick? That incredibly crisp outline? Does she paint lippie on below her actual lower lip, i.e. onto her skin, in order to accentuate the pout? If you peer closely it does look like that.

Not that I have any desire to emulate her.

NotYoda · 25/09/2016 07:45

This thread is really horrible.

Agree with littleprincess

RestlessTraveller · 25/09/2016 08:01

How dare the woman enter a competition for something she's good at!

How dare she actually be proud that she is good at something!

How dare she wear lipstick, she clearly an attention seeking hussy!

How dare she show a little emotion when talking about her dead grandmother!

How dare she have A FACE!

You see, what we should have done is put her "attention-seeking" "painted-face" into some public stocks and let you lot throw rotten fruit at her. You bunch of utter cunts.

A11TheSmallTh1ngs · 25/09/2016 12:19

Why do people think that constantly exaggerating and namecalling other posters is a persuasive argumentative tactic? We can all read the thread and it's clear that no one has called for her to be raped, said she'd asked for it, said she shouldn't have joined the show etc etc.

It's such a lazy unintelligent way of shutting down debate and some mumsnet posters do seem to love it. I've noticed that when it doesn't work, they double up on it trying desperately to shift the debate.

Here's an idea: if you want people to agree with you, why don't you actually engage with the argument in good faith and make persuasive arguments. Yes, it's a bit harder than calling people rapists but the land of adult discussion is a happy and pleasant place with lots of room for all.

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CrystalMcPistol · 25/09/2016 12:33

She irritates me too I'm afraid. Although not as much as Tom and his revolting bakes.

HeyNannyNanny · 25/09/2016 14:19

Well said, A11TheSmallTh1ngs.

Her choice of fashion has no bearing on my opinion of her. Her attitude and affected mannerisms do.

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PickledCauliflower · 25/09/2016 14:23

I think the constant pouting is a bit odd, but maybe she doesn't realise she is doing it.

I'm getting a bit tired of the show now really. I think it's too hyped up and it's putting me off.
The other thing putting me off is Paul Hollywood. The moody glares, and the stance. He comes across like he really loves himself..

PickledCauliflower · 25/09/2016 14:24

Toms food does look revolting. I'm surprised that he is still there.

pontificationcentral · 25/09/2016 18:04

'The propensity to utilize such a facial contortion, one that renders the face acceptably feminine, is rooted in a cultural value system in which physical beauty is deeply connected to self-worth. And yet, displaying this acceptably feminine mask comes at a cost. Indeed the duck face is the target of much social derision...

We see a tension then, between the felt need for proper feminine boldly performance, and the devaluation of those who engage in this performance.

The duck face is therefore both a product and a sit of feminine control. It is forged through standards of beauty, made all the more relevant in in an era of photographic disclosure, and the. Punished for its inauthenticity, for its effort full display of that which is supposed to be effortless. The duckfacing woman becomes a conspicuous symbol of how sexism, patriarchy, or misogyny work upon the body. However, instead of confronting sexism, patriarchy or misogyny, we confront the symbol in its own right. We punish the woman who contorts her face, admonish her for showing us, through her pouty lips and artificially protruding cheekbones, what a controlled body looks like.' (Jenny Davis on Cyborgology - sorry having issue with link)

Princess, honey, is this what you mean with your random victim blaming rant? If you read the thread more carefully, everyone is taking affront to the need to perform the trout pout, and not to Candice herself. They are critical of the action, the image of 'what a controlled body looks like' and yes, a little bit cross at Candice for perpetuating the control - as she seems like the kinda woman who should be impervious to this kinda misogynistic shit.

Of course, what may help to absolve Candice of the blame for such a perfect example of 'this is what a controlled body looks like' is to mind-game ourselves into assuming she knows, doesn't give a damn, and is in some way playing the patriarchy. An ironic trout pout if you will.

That said - not sure where or how you worked out she needed to be raped. I think the extent of most posters' thoughts were 'she needs to stop duckfacing!' It isn't Slutwalk. It's fighting for the right for women not to have to contort their faces unnaturally to perform femininity. But you are quite right. We need to be careful that we are not victim blaming poor Candice for being a victim of a patriarchal society. (I am toying with a reenactment of the tongue in cheek Candice pout)

A thread about being cross about performing femininity and female control? I'm all for it. If she's doing it, she's doing it knowingly, and that's perpetrating the necessity to perform femininity for my daughters. I'd rather she didn't.

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