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To think that scholarships for women shouldn't be open to men?

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HermioneWeasley · 20/09/2016 19:55

So, scholarship to support women in STEM - a massive issue for all societies that we're not harnessing th talents of half our populations in this area.

But if you "identify as a woman in a way that's meaningful to you" you can apply.

What the ever loving fuck?

Another example of the damage being done to actual women, by saying that "woman" is a feeling in a man's head.

To think that scholarships for women shouldn't be open to men?
To think that scholarships for women shouldn't be open to men?
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kua · 21/09/2016 22:28

sunshine that is truly heartbreaking. I've typed out different responses to you but I still can't find the words. I'm so sorry that you have had to go through this and to be honest I don't know what to say. Other than that I truly wish you had better support as a child/adult from your "parents.

Maybe you you need to say , online where we'll hear you but no one else will..

FUCK YOU!

as many time as you so wish..

FullTimeYummy · 21/09/2016 22:35

Pinkie, I would have thought Sunshine might have been in with a shout, but whatever

You've appointed yourself the mouthpiece of MN and it has spoken; Paris gets the scholarship

kua · 21/09/2016 22:38

FTY what are you gabbling about?

FullTimeYummy · 21/09/2016 22:46

Err, I was responding to PinkyofPie?

The things she said?

In response to the things i said?

Like a conversation/debate/banter and that

LineyReborn · 21/09/2016 22:46

Sunshine is a woman. But she didn't ask to be on another poster's list of something that included Paris Hilton. She was sharing a personal story.

kua · 21/09/2016 22:48

Bless, did some one take away your spotlight? Damn those other posters!

FullTimeYummy · 21/09/2016 22:50

This thread just keeps on giving

Inertia · 21/09/2016 22:54

Ah yes, Caitlyn Jenner. Out-womanning us all, from the moment Bruce Jenner ( as he was at this point) tried on his stepdaughter's underwear and had an epiphany, to the much more regular moments of stepping into the male locker room to play golf as Bruce in the exclusively male part of the golf club.

What's not to respect about someone who tries on their child's underwear, and values 'womanhood' so little that it's not even worth giving up golf club membership for?

Inertia · 21/09/2016 22:56

And Sunshine, I'm sorry about the way you were treated in your childhood and subsequently. It sounds like another example of a man laying the blame for his unhappiness at the door of the women and girls around him.

Inertia · 21/09/2016 23:00

Did anybody ever manage to find figures outlining the proportion of MtT working in STEM, compared to the proportion of women in the field and in the population as a whole? I've read the thread but can't spot it.

PinkyOfPie · 21/09/2016 23:15

Ah I didn't see at all how FYT's question was only aimed at Sunshine. Silly me thought you were addressing MN as a whole when you referred to, erm, 'MN'.

But I suspect you've framed it that way on purpose to try and 'embarrass' people because you can't hold a debate for toffee so resor to personal point scoring

Although I'm not sure why you think sunshine would want to answer your question when she was here to share a personal story?

PinkyOfPie · 21/09/2016 23:19

Inertia don't forget when Caitlyn was crowned "woman of the year", her inspiring answer to the question of "what's the hardest thing about being a woman?"

Did she answer about the high level of sexual violence the world over? Or maybe living in a patriarchy which smashes us down every day? Domestic violence rates? Victim blaming culture? Lower paid wages?

Nope, she said what we were all thinking...deciding what to wear in the morning

FullTimeYummy · 21/09/2016 23:29

Pinky, my comment was aimed at MN.

Which you decided was you.

And you said you'd give the scholarship to Paris Hilton.

I expressed surprise, and acceptance.

That was it.

Why do you need to read everything twice?

PinkyOfPie · 21/09/2016 23:46

FTY do you think MN is a person? Did you expect me to consult all of MN before posting and give the collective view?

I don't need to read everything twice but your posts are so inherently obtuse it's hard to figure out what you actually mean (other than just being a GF).

You asked 'MN' (apparently) who they'd give a scholarship to in this situation, and after 400 posts of people saying that bio women should get it, you're surprised that I answered that the only bio woman you listed? Really? Why would that surprise you?

Your continuous use of head-tilting sign offs are a poor attempt to deflect the fact that you are either hairy handed or you are inconsistent and incoherent in your posts

venusinscorpio · 22/09/2016 00:35

FTY has been a GF from the start. There is very little else that can be said about them.

IceBeing · 22/09/2016 00:43

pinkie I feel quite comfortable meeting you in the middle on those points...though you might not meet me....

I would love to know if any trans women actually applied to this....my suspicion would be somewhere between 0 and negligible.

Maybe the time to get worked up, is IF it ever becomes non-negligible.

venus oh and I was being SO good not bringing up the olympics!

If I had brought it up it would have been to point out that unsurprisingly there wasn't a massive swamping of women's sports with 'I feel female today' XY people...the world of XX sport didn't in fact end...

I thought it was interesting that a paralympian was complaining that people who are less severely impaired are competing in her class and now there is no point her doing so...which again raises the issue that any time you attempt to 'level the playing field' in sport you completely fail.

I maintain adamantly that allowing trans women to compete only disenfranchises a different subset of potential female athletes from the many many who are already disenfranchised by the current crop of XX genetic outliers. On the flip side my daughter was only interested in watching women's events....so I guess it all depends on whether she will identify with or fail to identify will trans women, should they ever show up in numbers at major sports events.

At some point if MN continues to freak out about all the possible worst case scenarios regarding trans women, and they keep failing to materialise, it is indeed going to look more and more like the site is trans phobic.

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HermioneWeasley · 22/09/2016 07:03

ice

Fallon Fox beat a competitor into a pulp - a state that's never been seen when 2 women have boxed. I think Fallon may have fractured her skull

4 women sexually assaulted in shelters by one TW

Countless examples of voyeurism and secret filming where women's changing rooms have been opened up to TW or gone gender neutral

Girls' swimming team having to change in the disabled space because a self identified woman is in the changing rooms with their cock out when they want to use it

Girl denied place n college basketball team by Gabrielle Ludwig - don't know if that was a scholarship place or not

Women in prison pregnant by a TW. TW is moved to another women's prison (WTAF)

Women in prison in California being object raped by a post op TW

I'd say the worst case scenarios are happening right now. It's not acceptable to me that any woman suffers or loses out because of men who identify as women. Nobody has ever been able to answer my question on what's the acceptable amount of female collateral damage in the pursuit of trans rights. So ice given that these have happened and you say the worst case scenario has failed to materialise, what is "worst case" for you? What's your acceptable number of women and girls to be raped and sexually assaulted as a result of this?

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Twunk · 22/09/2016 07:52

Being a woman "in a way that is significant to me" is hardly a high bar for applications though is it? I think there's still the view that transwomen all talk hormones/want or have surgery and are desperate to "pass". This simply isn't true.

But regardless, the only objective definition of woman is the biological one.

Twunk · 22/09/2016 07:53

Well the only definition is the biological one

NormaStanleyFletcher · 22/09/2016 08:00

Nobody has ever been able to answer my question on what's the acceptable amount of female collateral damage in the pursuit of trans rights

This. I would love an answer to this.

MoggyP · 22/09/2016 08:13

About the same as 'damage' to Islam and Judaism in the pursuit of equal rights and freedoms to be homosexual.

There is no 'ranking' of protected characteristics, and no mechanism to resolve situations where two protected characteristics are in any form of conflict.

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HermioneWeasley · 22/09/2016 08:19

moggy but if one religious group said they had the right to use another's place of worship people woukdnt defined that would they?

Its a poor analogy though because religions are faith based systems and segregation on the basis of sex is rooted in science and facts.

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Felascloak · 22/09/2016 08:20

moggy you seriously think that a religion having to accept some of its members are gay is equivalent to some women having to accept being raped/sexually assaulted? Well I guess rape is no biggie. Put up and shut up women Hmm Angry

ErrolTheDragon · 22/09/2016 08:30

In court cases where 'rights' have been in conflict, inherent characteristics win out over acquired. So, gay rights trump religious belief. Biological sex is unambiguously inherent - we are XX or XY from conception. I suspect that this is one of the main reasons why the TA agenda seeks to reify gender, with assertions that they've 'always' been a woman/man contrary to their genetics.

Beachcomber · 22/09/2016 08:34

Moggie, Islam and Judaism are things.

Women are people.

Do you see the difference?

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