To feel so fed up and stressed by the constant threat of another indyref

[Stardustlady]

That's it really. I found the last one horrible, stressful and it permanently damaged some family relationships.

I do not want independence. I think it would be a disaster and not one I want me or my family to pay the price for. I do not want to bring my family up in an independent Scotland. I feel strongly that we would move to England should it happen, which means I can just never feel settled.

I thought we were done with this in 2014, I cannot tell you the relief I felt on September 19th 2014, that finally, it was settled.

But no, we are threatened with another one almost daily; next year, in two years, in 2020, when the polls show 60% support. I find it so worrying, I can't bear to go through all of that again then have to look at uprooting my family (don't want to out self by giving further details of job etc)

I'm not looking for a debate on independence, I did all that in 2014. Just wondered if any other Scottish mnetters felt the same.

YY. Ruth Davidson is pretty good, but I think she is hobbled by having to toe the WM line. Also need to come up with some of their own policies rather than banging on about Independence all the time even more than the SNP

Would also be helpful if she could stop shooting herself in the foot, see recent NHS at crisis point debacle.

We were told that if Scotland became independent we'd be out of the EU. We were promised that voting to stay in the UK would guarantee our place in the EU

That's not true. I repeat: the Eu ref was announced in 2013. The Scottish indyref took place in 2014. The people of Scotland knew that the Eu ref was coming.

That said, I always thought that all the posturing over EU membership for Scotland was a nonsense, despite wanting Scotland to stay in the UK. Was the EU really going to tell 5 million people with EU passports and a legal system fully in compliance with EU legislation that they could not remain/rejoin?

In the same way I think all the nonsense about the inner-Irish border is just that too. There are plenty of anomalies across the EU (eg Heligoland is in Germany, but not in the EU). There is no need for all the hysteria that's being spouted. Just some of it!

We will be presented with 2 choices:

Within the Uk but out of the EU

Out of the U.K and out of EU

No Barnett and the biggest deficit in Europe.

YY to the SNP pretending to be socialist.

Think the named person ruling where the Supreme Court ruled the legislation to be in breach of human rights shows that very well.

Much more right wing that they're portraying themselves.

And Nicola should have waited until after the Brexit vote if Brexit was such a game changer.

In 2014, nobody thought the UK would actually leave the EU - David Cameron least of all. Not sure you can argue that everyone in Scotland should have predicted what none of the experts did.

Some excellent points raised. The snp has let Scotland down but where is the opposition the lib dems have disappeared and labour is imploding. Ruth Davison, I'm not sure need more from her.
I can't see it getting better op. I don't think another referendum is on the cards but can't see the snp letting it go. Interesting their supporters don't have much to add to the debate apart from same old.
Anyone fancy starting a new party to sort this mess out ?

a coalition of the sensible, I'm in...i also hate hate hate how the yes vote covered themselves in cultural nationalism - even donning the saltire - I couldn't love Scotland more than I do, I simply don't believe independence will be anything but a bloody disaster economically.

Anyone fancy starting a new party to sort this mess out ?

You should! From the way these threads on MN always go, you would have plenty of support, and Scotland is crying out for a new party.

I don't think another referendum is on the cards in the near future, I think the SNP not winning a majority in the Scottish Elections put paid to that.

I agree if we were to hold another referendum and it was a yes vote we'd still be out of the EU we just can't meet the entry criteria. Also the agreement that Scotland didn't vote for Brexit so shouldn't be tied to it is nonsense, if you looked at every vote in that manner you'd be justifying half the country going its own separate way.

I think at times the SNP has potential to be a excellent party and look after Scotland's interest but right now they are not doing that. I know independence is literally their whole manifesto but I think they need to start looking at a bit evolution and get on with business of running the country with the hand they've been dealt as that is task the Scottish electorate has elected them to carry out.

I wish that the whole Indyref thing would be given a rest for a while. The last campaign made me ill - it dramatically worsened my depression, and by the end, I was not watching any news about it at all, no discussion programmes etc etc, because it was making me too stressed and unhappy.

If there is another Indyref, dh and I will be looking long and hard at whether we can stay in Scotland. I love it here - I have wonderful friends and a good life, and it would break my heart to leave, but we may have no choice.

Strangely, though, I am not too stressed about the thought of another Indyref - maybe because of Brexit - it feels as if the worst has happened already, and things can't get any worse. Add to that the risk of Trump as US president, and I have reached peak fret.

By some coincidence, today FB has reminded me of a post I made two years ago, about my feelings on Indyref, and particularly the whole Project Fear accusations, and the belief amongst some pro Independence campaigners that you clearly didn't love Scotland if you were considering voting No - the whole appropriation of the saltire, which said clearly to me that only Yes voters could possibly be REAL scotsmen and women.

I am appalled to hear that Nicola Sturgeon thinks that Indyref2 is more important than focusing on the economy of Scotland. Like many others, I would like her to live up to the promise that Indyref was a 'once in a generation' thing, and get on with her day job, of governing Scotland for the benefit of all the inhabitants, not just those who want independence.

Ridiculous that they would even consider this with the oil price.

The referendum was horrific, it made me ill too. Some of my family have still not made up properly.I can't go through another one.

It was poison for Scotland and it is still poisoning us. I really feel like all politics, all government decisions revolve around it and it is really not good for Scotland. The uncertainty it creates, constantly agitating for independence cannot be good for the economy.

I was particularly aghast at NS's recent comment that independence transcends the economy, etc. It really is independence whatever the cost. Hopefully such a lunatic comment will have put off the soft Yes voters.

I think for a small minority of Nationalists Independence definitely transcends the economy. But the wider public are a bit more pragmatic.

I don't think another referendum is on the cards in the near future, I think the SNP not winning a majority in the Scottish Elections put paid to that

I think that with the Greens they may have a majority? And the LibDems might be a bit more open as well after Brexit.

I think the problem SNP have (and I have some sympathy) it that they can't really do very much about the economy etc when it's mostly in Westminsters hands.

STDG : peak fret! Yes I've passed through that point.

It would be a bloody mess. Scotland would have to leave the EU then rejoin several years later, adopt the euro, join the shenanigan zone, set up a hard border with England, start paying financial contributions, invite lots of migrants like Merkal did and all with a very low oil price. Reality would bite hard.

I would be so happy mathsmum if "shenanigans zone" turned out to be your actual name for it and not just the autocorrect of Schengen

Me too, toomuch!

lol, yes auto correct, didn't notice awesome name

Over my dead body with Scotland join the shenanigans zone!