To feel so fed up and stressed by the constant threat of another indyref

[Stardustlady]

That's it really. I found the last one horrible, stressful and it permanently damaged some family relationships.

I do not want independence. I think it would be a disaster and not one I want me or my family to pay the price for. I do not want to bring my family up in an independent Scotland. I feel strongly that we would move to England should it happen, which means I can just never feel settled.

I thought we were done with this in 2014, I cannot tell you the relief I felt on September 19th 2014, that finally, it was settled.

But no, we are threatened with another one almost daily; next year, in two years, in 2020, when the polls show 60% support. I find it so worrying, I can't bear to go through all of that again then have to look at uprooting my family (don't want to out self by giving further details of job etc)

I'm not looking for a debate on independence, I did all that in 2014. Just wondered if any other Scottish mnetters felt the same.

I don't want to keep having to wait for wee Nicnock to finally get her way- so what if finally at umpteenth indyref theres a yes, can we the No voters say 'we're not happy, vote again' and so on ad finiteum? It's childish to say but I hate the woman!

I feel exact same way and annoyed it's happening. It's s joke to think you can ask same question so soon after 2014 where majority voted no

The snp attitudes and those of their supporters are becoming increasingly questionable imo. Their lack of respect for the results of a referendum of such magnitude is worrying.

*Scotland did NOT vote for a Conservative government; Scotland did NOT vote for Brexit.

It would be completely undemocratic not to have a second referendum.*

It would be completely undemocratic to ignore the result of the

OP, I felt the same as you in 2014 - permanently anxious. But now...? Yes, I would happily see a referendum right now. Seriously, bring it on Nicola. Unfortunately she will not hold one because she's not daft. She knows that if she held one right now she would lose and another defeat would be a nail in the coffin of their cause.

So yeah, I would happily have a referendum right now. What I really don't want is another protracted campaign, like the last time. Things were awful then where I stay and just in general in the media. The worst thing was the self-righteousness - the constant propaganda that said that you couldn't possibly care about poverty and equality if you didn't vote yes. All my family are left-leaning and care deeply about these issues - they just didn't believe separation was the answer to every social ill and the first step to a new socialist utopia.

expat I think the breakup of one's country is quite a valid concern. Would you say the same thing about people who are upset/worried over Brexit? Also, just because you're worried about one issue doesn't mean you don't have other concerns. A close family member was diagnosed with a terminal illness in the run-up to the 2014 vote, but they still continued to be worried about the outcome of the referendum.

"once in a lifetime " referendum which said NO.

Overthinker2016

It is most certainly anti-democratic not to allow Scotland a say in whether they wish to remain in the EU or remain in the UK.

If Scotland votes to remain in the UK, the UK can move on and implement Brexit.

Forcing Scotland into Brexit against the expressed will of the Scottish people would be bordering on the fascist. Is this what you really want? Why do you fear putting it to the Scottish people?

Corkie - they did get a say. Everyone in the UK got to vote.

expat dismissive attitude to someone's opinion. Necessary? I'm willing to bet I know where your feelings lie on Scottish Independence...

Corkie - they did get a say. Everyone in the UK got to vote.

Yes, and Scotland voted REMAIN.

What is the aibu?

Tell it to Sturgeon CorkieD. She wont call a referendum though..

Scotland would be toast without England and Wales.
It has a Gdp less than Greece.
The Eu is punishing Greece for spending beyond its means.
The Eu is about Germany, not Scotland.
Its unwise to cut off your nose to spite your face.

YANBU I voted No to independence and voted to remain in EU. The SNP should learn the meaning of democracy.
We voted to remain part of the UK and the UK voted to leave Europe so that's what should be done otherwise what is the point in voting?

But London also voted remain. It's a U.K. vote and a U.K. result. Whether we like it or not, we have to suck it up.

But Corkie we WERE given a say. We had a vote in the EU referendum just like everybody else (and 38% of Scots voted to leave - do their views not count?).

But nevertheless I share your wish for a referendum as long as they just get on with it and hold it now. And then give us peace for a while.

I feel the same I found indyref absolutely horrible - really bad atmosphere and I cried when I voted (no) because I thought it was going to be yes and I was going to have to leave Scotland...
I think the Brexit result in Scotland is irrelevant...the possibility of another indy ref influenced the way people voted - there was a thread on here about it -the best way to vote to avoid another referendum. People voting remain to force indyref2. People were more concerned about that than leaving the EU or not...
I voted Brexit mainly to shake up the EU - I think it couldn't continue as it was ...all its acknowledged problems and promises for years we could reform from within -when we obviously couldn't... it was a conviction vote.
But in the booth I hesitated - nearly voted remain - because if Brexit won it would be an excuse for NS to start talking about indeyref2
Even though like others I don't think there is any sound economic argument for independence, esp with the deficit and dire oil revenue at the moment - I don't think they would win one for many many years -and I don't they will call another one unless they are certain they will win...

Answer me this Corkie: if we had voted yes to independence would you be in favour of a second referendum within a short space of time just to check.

Also calling people who disagree with indyref2 fascists is really disrespectful. It's not fascism at all, as I'm sure you realise. It's nothing like fascism. Naming something "fascist" should not be done lightly.

I feel the same way. I am a Scot who spent life aged 18 onwards in England and came back in my late 30s; I consider myself British first, Scottish second, married to an Englishman, kids having variously Scottish and English accents. I love Scotland but also love England and the idea of Britain. Even if I can't stand the UK govt I know that a referendum is like suicide, ie a permanent solution to a temporary Problem.

I wish the SNP would quit trying to blame everything on the UK govt and get on with running the country.

Scotland would be toast without England and Wales
It has a Gdp less than Greece

user1471439240, I think your tone towards Scotland manages to be both condescending and ill-informed.

Whether the GDP of Greece - a country with more than twice the population of Scotland - is slightly greater than or less than that of Scotland is neither here nor there. It's a meaningless comparison.

Whether the economy of Scotland is better served within the UK or within the EU is now a matter for debate and should be given careful and serious consideration by the people of Scotland.

Genuine question to those who want independence so we could stay in the EU.

How would this actually happen? To be accepted to the EU a potential new member state is required to have their own currency and central bank. Where do our reserves come from? They wouldn't lend it to us - that would make us another Greece (except starting off in that position!). The other member states will never allow that.

So that leaves austerity - worse than we ever had under the Tories. Even (the more candid) SNP politicians have admitted that an independent Scotland would be looking at years of cuts. You ok with that?

YANBU if that's how you feel. I want independence, but although I would like to be independent as soon as possible, I think the next referendum needs to be held when it's almost certainly going to be a yes.
I understand the uncertainty at wanting to move in the event of independence, but equally DH and I feel the same if the UK remains together and we're pulled out of the EU.

The AIBU was whether anyone else felt this way - thanks everyone for your replies, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way though sad that this situation exists and has made so many people feel upset and stressed.

The whole 'Scotland voted to remain' thing - actually if you look at the figures, the majority of Scots - 2.4 m -either didn't care (didn't vote) or voted to Leave. Almost as many Scots didn't care either way as voted to remain.

I have found that those who think the whole process was a great political discussion and don't recognise the angry, bitter, divisive process that was the referendum, were yes voters. Being a no voter in 2014 was a lonely and unpleasant experience. I knew no voters who had their windows egged when displaying a no thanks sticker (a pensioner) one whose car was run off the road because she had a no thanks sticker. You were sneered at and insulted and told you were not Scottish enough and should be ashamed of yourself. That you were a coward and cared only about yourself. Yes voters turned up at rallies and intimidated people, tore down posters and stickers, were utterly intolerant towards the opposite view. It was absolutely awful. I cannot bear to go through it all again.

This is hopeful www.scotsman.com/news/politics/theresa-may-rebukes-nicola-sturgeon-over-indyref2-pitch-1-4234538