To feel so fed up and stressed by the constant threat of another indyref

[Stardustlady]

That's it really. I found the last one horrible, stressful and it permanently damaged some family relationships.

I do not want independence. I think it would be a disaster and not one I want me or my family to pay the price for. I do not want to bring my family up in an independent Scotland. I feel strongly that we would move to England should it happen, which means I can just never feel settled.

I thought we were done with this in 2014, I cannot tell you the relief I felt on September 19th 2014, that finally, it was settled.

But no, we are threatened with another one almost daily; next year, in two years, in 2020, when the polls show 60% support. I find it so worrying, I can't bear to go through all of that again then have to look at uprooting my family (don't want to out self by giving further details of job etc)

I'm not looking for a debate on independence, I did all that in 2014. Just wondered if any other Scottish mnetters felt the same.

If you're planning on moving to England in the event of another indyref - why not move now & avoid all the stress & worry ?

At least in our case, we'll only move if we're taxed to the point where we can't afford to pay our mortgage and hoping that things don't get that bad although I think they will of Scotland goes independent anytime soon as the SNP can't afford their current basket of policies, let alone with independence.

I don't want to leave my home, or uproot the family. But in the event of independence there'd have to be severe cuts and/or tax increases to balance the books, and we'd have to think about moving somewhere more affordable, like maybe the north of England.

The uncertainty is bad for Scotland, and bad for people living there.

But the simple fact is that Scotland can not afford to become independent until oil prices recover significantly.

Feeling weary at the thought of another referendum in Scotland and wishing it would all go away is a perfectly understandable reaction. I think many people are referendum weary and there is a genuine concern that the next Independence referendum will not be as well conducted as the previous one.

The best hope for those who want to continue to live in a democratic and united UK would be a victory in the refendum that would lay the issue to rest.

The alternative would lead the UK into a very dark place. Forcing Scotland into Brexit against its wishes would lead to a factured, anti-democratic UK. While this would suit a small fascist minority, I don't believe it is in anyone's best interest.

Corkie, you didn't answer my question though?

Also please could you stop calling no voters fascists.

I think that the polls and the turnout data indicate that while most people in Scotland voted remain, they just don't care enough about the EU to leave the UK. Where has the post-Brexit bounce gone? And if we're respecting Scotland's wishes' polls indicate that those wanting another referendum are a minority, so logically the SNP should drop the idea. Unless of course it's not about democracy, and is just an excuse to push for independence (again).

why was not more made of the 'hate crimes' during the Scottish independence vote - is it that it is only a 'hate crime' if carried out by the English who can then be called 'f*ist'
how Scottish is 'Scottish enough' ? - talk about xenophobia !
Sadly I do feel for the people of Scotland who are experiencing such uncertainty that the Scottish Parliament are not doing enough to settle.

Brexit is a gamechanger. The people of Scotland should get to choose their own destiny. They should not be dictated to

The EU referendum was announced in 2013. The indyref was in 2014. If people in Scotland really wanted to stay in the EU that much they should have voted to leave the UK at that point, left the EU and then rejoined. They knew the EU ref was coming. Funnily enough, if Cameron had lost that referendum the EU one might not have happened and we might have had a situation where Scotland was temporarily outside the EU and the rest of the UK stayed in it!

I hope that common sense will still prevail and Brexit is kicked into the long grass.

I'm English, have lived in England all my life and I feel so sad about the referendum and the Conservative dominance that I would rather live in an independent Scotland than a post-Brexit UK. You aren't alone, though, the prospect of another referendum is bad enough from this side of the border, must be worse from yours. The whole thing is a mess.

I can't get my head around people seriously expecting the SNP to give up on independence. It's the raison d'etre of their party. If the people of Scotland want indie ref off the table they should have voted in Labour. you can't honestly imagine that everyone who voted the SNP in - most of the country - were unaware of their stance on independence.

User, the SNP are the party in government, and whether they like it or not they have responsibilities for the running of the country! Also, they got themselves into power by telling everyone they're the socialist option (and hoping that no one pays too much attention to their ACTUAL policies), and so many people who don't want independence, but did want a socialist government, voted for them in that basis. It's simply not acceptable for them to continue to ignore their other responsibilities and keep pushing for independence when that question has been asked and answered very recently.

I did have a giggle to myself at the Scottish Green's new campaign to win No voters over to the Independence side.

It's called No2Yes.

Which to me looks like an anti independence slogan! Not sure they thought that one thorough particularly well............

As long as the SNP are voted in to government they're going to keep banging the Independence drum. As user above says, it's their whole reason for being. Yes it would be nice if they'd focus more on the day to day governance of the country but it ain't gonna happen. It's frustrating to see the easy ride the SNP seem to be given when so much is in disarray. For some they can do no wrong. Some people truly think they're the Socialist option. Which is a bit baffling!

Move then

YABU. Personally I found the run-up to Brexit far more unpleasant than the indyref.

We were told that if Scotland became independent we'd be out of the EU. We were promised that voting to stay in the UK would guarantee our place in the EU.

(As an aside we were also promised massive devolution, a near federal state if we voted to stay)

I think that after these promises , being dragged out of the EU represents a fairly material change in circumstance...

If nothing else Brexit is going to totally fuck the UK - if Scotland can avoid that via Independence then so be it.

Nicola Sturgeon is a fucking disgrace as a First Minister. She's totally obsessed with independence

Why is anyone surprised by this? Of course she wants Indepenednce - thats what the SNP stand for! She didnt vote her party in to power in Holyrood all by herself - enough Scottish people have voted for them. And if enough Scottish people vote for independence in any future Indy Ref then that will also be down to the Scottish people.

Love the pro-indy view that if you aren't you should just leave ...guess so that they would win the next vote...seeing as the people who can afford to 'just move' are likely to be the ones who are contributing to the economy, independent Scotland would be even more financially fucked.
We were told that if Scotland became independent we'd be out of the EU. We were promised that voting to stay in the UK would guarantee our place in the EU.
I don't think that was as a bigger consideration for people voting No than for instance Scotland would definitely be able to keep the pound - or the resulting economic suicide that would make austerity (and in fact the worst possible outcome of Brexit) look like a picnic.
As it was there was no guaranteed place in the EU if Scotland had voted for independence - and there isn't now - so there is no difference really ...

It's such a fucking mess. I come from one of the poorest parts of Glasgow and I seriously doubt that any of this constitutional fiddling is going to do anything for communities like the one I grew up in. When all this kicked off my view was that the status quo, while shit, was still better than anything that Scottish independence or Brexit could bring. Now we have the Brexit result I think it's hard to say whether Scotland's better off independent or not - the fiscal situation's going to be bloody hard if they go independent, but maybe it's possible to have a more equitable society and therefore manage better with less money.
So much of it depends on the deal that Theresa May comes back with. If it includes access to the single market, it'll be harder to make the case for independence for Scotland because not that much will have changed. If she comes back with a no free movement deal, I think that'll harden attitudes, and it will be fairly easy then for indy to win through an alliance of geuine indy supporters and Europhiles. But it will be harder to administer them because of the border. "Luckily" for us, poor old Northern Ireland is going to have to think their way round that one before Scotland ever does.

I want to leave but it takes time and persuasion of other family members.

even in the case that May doesn't get a free movement deal, it's still not at all clear that the EU wants a small country that is unlikely to be a net contributor (Scotland) to join, so the option on the table won't be 'Scotland in Europe', it could be at best Scotland begging for entry to Europe, unless Sturgeon calls it only after she's got a deal from Europe, if that can be achieved.

Exactly. The EU thing is a red herring. There isn't going to be a choice between "Scotland in the UK outside the EU" and "Indy Scotland within the EU."

To be considered for membership countries must have their own central bank and currency. I repeat - where would our reserves come from??

Yes I'm worried and angery. The snp are failing Scotland. Education a failing shambles. Police Scotland almost bankrupt and NHS don't get me started. Etc
Independence vote
4,283,938 eligible voters
1,617,989 yes
2,001,926 no
660,594 did not vote
A very clear No respect that Nicola.
As for Brexit
3,987,112 eligible voters
1,661,191 remain
1,018,332 leave
1,307,599 did not vote

So if their were to a 2nd referendum it should be the Brexit one?
NS is not stupid she knows the above. The snp have one aim one drum to bang they have now admitted and proven it. Scotland needs an orchestra not just a drum.

The EU thing is a red herring. There isn't going to be a choice between "Scotland in the UK outside the EU" and "Indy Scotland within the EU

The way things are playing out now, it may be a choice between Scotland out of the EU and in UK, or an Indy Scotland remaining in the single market/ EEA.

The snp have one aim one drum to bang they have now admitted and proven it. Scotland needs an orchestra not just a drum

The issue is that the SNP are being overwhelmingly voted for in every election, the other parties need to to step up with some policies that people will vote for. At the moment it looks very much like Scottish voters support the SNP, and by extension Independence.

I'll be interested to see how the Scottish Tories do in the next local elections.