To feel so fed up and stressed by the constant threat of another indyref

[Stardustlady]

That's it really. I found the last one horrible, stressful and it permanently damaged some family relationships.

I do not want independence. I think it would be a disaster and not one I want me or my family to pay the price for. I do not want to bring my family up in an independent Scotland. I feel strongly that we would move to England should it happen, which means I can just never feel settled.

I thought we were done with this in 2014, I cannot tell you the relief I felt on September 19th 2014, that finally, it was settled.

But no, we are threatened with another one almost daily; next year, in two years, in 2020, when the polls show 60% support. I find it so worrying, I can't bear to go through all of that again then have to look at uprooting my family (don't want to out self by giving further details of job etc)

I'm not looking for a debate on independence, I did all that in 2014. Just wondered if any other Scottish mnetters felt the same.

Brexit,not credit.

The scots were led to believe/worry that if they voted for independence Scotland would be forced to leave the EU, so some people used this as part of their reasons to remain.

Now Scotland is facing leaving the EU anyway (even though they voted to stay in the EU), so it's not a surprise that people are rethinking their stance on independence.

"the EU categorically saying we cannot join independently of the rest of the UK"

The EU has not said that though has it?
stv.tv/news/politics/1358976-no-big-obstacle-to-independent-scotland-joining-eu/

YADNBU. The first referendum was horrific, it caused so much stress and upset, and I know several people who received quite personal abuse. All the "team Scotland" bullshit, as though you're not really Scottish if you support the union, was so divisive, and I hoped we could put it all to rest and heal those divisions when the result was in.

It leaves me uneasy that the SNP won't drop it like they promised to do, and it pisses me off that our local health service (to name one) is on the verge of collapse due to mismanagement, the school results are going backwards, but that our government doesn't care in the least. It does give me hope though when I see in the polls that despite the "overwhelming vote to remain in the EU" there hasn't been any real shift towards independence, suggesting that people care more about the UK than the EU. The turnout figures for the two referenda would certainly support that.

Scotland did NOT vote for a Conservative government; Scotland did NOT vote for Brexit.

It would be completely undemocratic not to have a second referendum.

Corkie, that does not even make sense.

Had we exited the UK would you have accepted numerous referendums to check we still wanted independence, after the event? I suspect not.

A referendum is a once in a life time type question.

Is it too much to ask that the SNP stop fannying around get on with actually governing?

yanbu, i've resigned myself to scotland going independent, and have taken up panglossian optimism, hoping things don't get too bad...we should've moved to northumberland but we've got small children here and no ties to the north of england particularly. I shall stick my head in the sand until I have to confront it again.

But the UK voted for it corkie and as Scotland is part of the UK according to the will of the majority of Scottish people, then Scotland has to abide by it. I didnt vote for Brexit but it was a democratic vote and I have to abide by it.

YADNBU

This is what you have to be fed up and stressed by? Wow. Just. YABU.

YANBU. Madness.

The only good thing is she is politically incompetent and that the world can now see it. Who puts doctrine above all else after losing a vote on the same issue?

Expat - if your job is in certain sectors then uncertainty created by Brexit or indyref2 has a direct impact. It is stressful!

I find it depressing that relationships were negatively affected by the referendum. DP and I voted differently to 99% of our families, even had heated debates, but never ever let it get in the way of our relationships. Our next door neighbours voted differently to us and we walked to the polling station together, then went for a drink after it. It's the divisive arguments and bitterness on both sides I can't bear.

I feel the same as you, OP.

Additionally, I don't have a lot of faith in the SNP.

Incidentally I voted yes, and would again. However, I respect the opinions of no voters and their reasons.

Nicola Sturgeon is a fucking disgrace as a First Minister. She's totally obsessed with independence. We voted. We said no.

She doesn't even seem to see the irony in her comments. 'Scots voted to stay in the EU We need to listen to what the voters said' Yet she has a blatant disregard for the result of the independence vote because it didn't go her way.

It didn't go her way so let's vote again. What happens if it's a no vote again. Is she going to accept it???

She should concentrate on the job she's paid for and start addressing other issues like the financial crisis in Police Scotland for a start

Oh and wtf is this crap the YES people referring to George Square as Freedom Square? Oh seriously do fuck right off

Totally agree. I'm a lone no in a family and fb feed of yes. By the time the day came I actually considered not voting at all, I felt under so much pressure.

I can't stand the thought of another one. I hate arguing and I hate the sudden divisions it causes amongst people who have always been friends.

*Scotland did NOT vote for a Conservative government; Scotland did NOT vote for Brexit.

It would be completely undemocratic not to have a second referendum.*

I second this.

Sturgeon is extremely astute though. She will not call a referendum she can't win. It's many years away if ever.

But the UK voted for it corkie ...then Scotland has to abide by it.

Dementedma, I actually find this view more than a little fascist.

Brexit is a gamechanger. The people of Scotland should get to choose their own destiny. They should not be dictated to.

Is it too much to ask that the SNP stop fannying around get on with actually governing?

No it is not too much to ask but you won't get it.

I'm sick to death of hearing about indyref. The only consolation is I know of yes voters who have changed to no because it would be madness now to leave the Union.

I'm still a No.

Fascist?

Asking Nicola Sturgeon to respect the will of the Scottish electorate is fascist is it? Hilarious.

I don't think there will be a successful referendum for a few years yet so I am calmer than two years ago.

I am expecting it all over again in the medium term and am trying to get my DH to get his head out of the sand so we can plan ahead.

Sturgeon is extremely astute though. She will not call a referendum she can't win. It's many years away if ever.

I hope that is right.

One of the things that rips my knitting the most about the SNP is this faux-socialism bollox ie the rhetoric that anyone who disagrees with them is a fascist.