To start the FIFTEENTH thread that nobody responds too

[PortiaCastis]

A drop of Nelsons blood wouldnt do us any harm
This is thread 15 so no need for alarm
Those lifeboats and guards save us from the sea
We should all thank them as we drink our cup of tea
While they're out there volunteering looking out for you and me

And hats!

Morning all (ahem!)

You all knew I could flounce, right?

This is what I have to say.

DrSeth is a man. I've seen pictures (you can make of that what you will...). He is also very kind and considerate. We began PMing after the other thread, as we have had similar life experiences. I once asked him for advice on a subject I felt unable to post on here, because I have FB friends (them again) who also use MN and it had the potential to be very revealing. I only expected a quick response. What I received was a lengthy (am trying to do this without innuendo; it's very 'hard'), considered and thoughtful response (not unlike one I received from another person on this thread - you know who you are!)

He gets quite a hard (I'm honestly not doing this on purpose! Bloody words!) time on MN because not only is he male but he doesn't have children. He joined because he has a young relative who he wants to support. He has also had a very, very tough time recently in his personal life. So, you know, just be kind. Accepting not excepting and all that Zen crap.

For those of you who don't like kisses, LOOK AWAY NOW

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vanilla it was the dog this morning, circa 6am

Kids usually 6am. But I don't deal with them mon-wed. That's DP job. I go to work at 7:30. Or gym and leave at 5:30. But on work days they wake me prior to my alarm so I'm hanging. Same for the pooch.

I just want some good sleep. I get migraines and the only connection I can make is lack of sleep. They don't happen often so it has to be a particularly bad night or collection of nights for one to occur. But they're evil

He could borrow work ones but we have nothing to attach them to..

So, are you back, Jess? Was that just a mini twelve-hour, flounce?

Being's fiance's work ones would be too hard and uncomfortable! Pink (or blue) and fluffy is the way to go!

Nice to have you back, Jess , we missed you.

This is my take on it....

I don't know Dr Seth at all. I don't have anything to pre-judge him on.

What I do know is that he came into this thread deliberately to carry on an argument with someone we all love in here. Now, I am the Headmistress of this corner of the playground and, whilst I'm not interested in what goes on in other corners of the playground, anyone who comes into this corner needs to follow our guidelines AKA be NICE to each other.

Dr Seth continued to be snippy so that was the end of him, as far as I'm concerned. It's not a gender thing. I'd have done the same to any other poster.

You lot are MY GIRLS (and a special boy who needs to stop being nocturnal). I will defend each and every one of you who gets a hard time from someone else on these threads. It isn't personal.

Anyway, I'm glad he's been supportive of you in the past and I hope he continues to support you on Mumsnet.

So, shake hands, let's play nicely and I think we all need to sing a Sea Shanty and have some FRUIT sc-ohhhhhnes with cinnamon and cream cheese, just to mix things up a bit.

The End

Xxxxxxxx we love you Jess you know we do ❤💓💜💛💖💗💞💝💟

Blue Do you like this sofa?

Good morning all!
Hope you all had a good nights sleep.

DrSeth came on this thread? I must have missed that.

Right I'm off to church, as ever I have to confess my out of wed!ock carnal activities.
The communion wine is rather strong so may come back pissed as a fart.
Hmm having said that,
How does a fart get pissed?

Seeya later

Morning Red a lot of bed but not much sleep

You don't really go to Church, do you Portia? You're just going back to bed/having a bath, yes? You can tell us. We're all heathens here

Ok happy helper people. Another wedding question.

Children. What's the deal?! Who needs to be there? If I had my way my own kids wouldn't be there!!! But as it stands we have our DDs as flower girls, and our goddaughter as a flower girl. Her mum is my maid of honour. She has 2 DS who she doesn't want there, that's fine with us. But we have friends and family with kids who I don't want there!!! where is the line drawn!

I say no kids at all or all are invited. Having your two and you flower girl is fine but say no to all others but be prepared for people not to come.

I am inviting all children. If there are other children there, DD will have someone to play with rather than us having to worry about her. I'm thinking of hiring a baby sitter for the evening to take responsibility for the littler ones. The venue I want has a room where we can set up stuff for kids.

I had thought of a babysitter, and would consider it. But without knowing where we are getting married I can't commit to that won't knowing the space we've got.

I want it as no kids (except those 3!)
DP says what about family kids. His bro has 1 who is 2 and another who will be 1 by the time we marry. I'm fine without them. Heartless I know. But they're young. Distracting. Not needed IMO!!!!!!!

Preparing for harsh reactions from child loving people. I am not.

Xmasfairy, your wedding your day if you don't want kids there let guests know (some might be pleased to have a day/night away from them😀) How to do it tactfully is the problem, you can't please all of the people and all that

Hmm... If your DP wants them there, that changes it. If a 2 and 1 yo are there, it probably won't make a huge difference to your day (just your STBBIL) because they aren't your responsibility.

There are endless threads about this, Xmas, as I'm sure you've noticed! Luckily, there is no one "accepted" way to do it! Some people have no children apart from the ones in the wedding party itself - flower girls, page boys etc - others invite whole families, not just the adults. It's your wedding, so you get to choose! You seem to incline to the "no children" apart from immediate family/bridal party and this is quite standard. Your bridesmaid has already made this easy for you by saying she doesn't want her sons there, so saying "no" to the children of guests is just an extension of this.

Obviously guests with children will have to make childcare arrangements for the day, but, given that wedding invitations go out well in advance, most people should be able to cope. Go with what suits you - you're spending a lot of money on your wedding, and a lot of time and energy planning it, so you want to enjoy the day!

Whatever happens, don't stress. If children are there, they are their parent's responsibility, not yours so pretend they aren't. If children aren't there and some guests get annoyed or don't come, again, not your problem. It's your wedding!

Thanks ladies.

I am ruling this wedding. My wedding. My rules DP has some say I suppose

My rule was for immediate family only, plus bridesmaids. I hired an entertainer in a separate room and the hotel staff gave the kids their meal whilst we had our meal. We had 2 hours of childfree time.

But a friend decided at the last minute to bring her 2 kids. She phoned me up to say that she'd phoned the hotel who were going to put 2 extra best in their room. I lied through my teeth and said that we couldn't accept them as the entertainer had a strict number quota and we'd already exceeded it. She suddenly found a babysitter.

Vanilla, what a cheeky bugger!

WHAT HAPPENED WITH DRSETH?!?

Quite right, Xmas! This is your day, which you will remember all your life - plan it so that you will be relaxed and actually enjoy it! To all the "ordinary" guests - ie not close family or bridesmaids - it will be a nice day but will not be memorable in the same way. Do it your way!