To think it's not hard to adhere to uniform rules

[Puzzledconfusedandbewildered]

Yet again in the fail a school has had protests from parents (and police presence) due to 50 students being turned away on day 1 for breaching the uniform rules

Aibu to think the rules are the rules and if you want your child to attend that school you adhere to them?

I think it is daft to send children home if they are in the wrong shoes/socks/trousers. They are losing learning time and it's not likely they have a pair of polished leather shoes sitting at home to change into. How can schools then get arsey about children taking time off for things if they are denying a day's education over a pair of socks?

If they must enforce petty sock and shoe rules, can't it be a detention and wear the correct thing tomorrow?

This sending kids home if they don't have the correct uniform is daft. If this had happened at my school it certainly wouldn't have encouraged me to wear the correct uniform. I'm not opposed to sensible uniforms but what's the point in dictating the colour of socks?

Surely there's a better way to deal with non compliance than sending them home?

Just out of interest, would it be marked as an unauthorised absence?

Apparently the list specified black shoes. It did not specify black shoes unless the have buckles on.

One of the kids who got sent home because of a cardi purchased it from the school shop, amd the trainer boy had a letter from his doctor.

Uniforms should be simple to bit and wear. However, schools choose what they feel is best. Its up to parents to follow it, and querie it before the end of term of they don't 'get' what something on the list means. Or contact that school- most open for a few days during the holidays for uniform shopping, so it can be checked then.
Interestingly though, from my school experience, many of those kids who turn up in trainers etc, saying 'I know they said black shoes, but they allowed these last year' are also the ones who turn up to lessons a bit late coz 'Miss X' didn't mind last year, and tend to push the rules just that little bit...

No, there is no better way to enforce compliance. Those parents who moan about kids being sent home are very often the same parents who mean about detention, homework etc. They often do not support the school because they don't like seeing their children being told what to do. Schools have no option but to adopt a zero tolerance policy when parents insist on their child's right to reinterpret the rules to suit.

Our secondary school rules said that canvas shoes weren't allowed but kids wore them. One arbitrary day they decide to enforce the rule so I have to replace £40 brand new Vans.

So you spent £40 on Vans that you knew were against the rules and are now complaining at having to replace them? More fool you if you fell for the "but everyone else is wearing them" line.

It's bull shit mostly lazy parents either allowing there child to go buy there uniform or parents just blindly following what there child says they can wear

Most parents work so unless you never worked they clearly can follow a uniform policy in the police they have to wear black shoes I am sure they would be surprised if a copper turned up with black Nike max on

*my son is 16 and just started a pt job and I can assure you if he's not wearing the correct uniform he will be sent home my son managed from 11 years old to 16 with out a uniform issue he is 6 ft 2 and size 12 feet with a bit of imaginenation and not last minute uniform shopping it can be done

Uniform is not pricey and often a lot cheaper than the name brands parents buy there children for causal wear often people choose to buy brand new every year that's up to them

Those who think getting children to understand that they are being prepped for the world of work that often have uniform rules need to re think

It's fairly local to me and putting it nicely doesn't have the best of reputations. Local paper is full of outraged parents who plan to send their children in just the same tomorrow - sigh.

I don't think sock colour etc really matters, it's about learning to adhere to rules.

poster clam

Exactly

And tbh even if eveyone was really wearing them I wouldn't have thought they were partical school shoes

And you could of brought canvass shoes for a £10 in shoe fair tbh this is often about what the little darlings want and parents not being able to challanged there child

You should have seen the bag dd tried to get me to buy him for school in year 9 he had no chance it was a name branded bag it looked far to small not durable and didn't have enough pockets for pe kit Ect we brought a not trendy bag from the camping shop

It's not about effect on learning it's about following the rules and not following the rules DOES affect learning

I agree. While it does seem petty to send a child home for wearing the wrong colour socks, if a school has zero tolerance from day one, then at least everyone know where they stand. It's much more difficult if some children wear correct uniform, and some get away with not doing so.

It also shows that the school has a zero tolerance attitude to the school rules, which surely can only help to maintain discipline. Presumably parents ( and older children ) know what the uniform requirements are. Just because you don't agree with a rule, doesn't mean that you shouldn't follow it.

Our secondary school rules said that canvas shoes weren't allowed but kids wore them. One arbitrary day they decide to enforce the rule so I have to replace £40 brand new Vans

It's pretty silly to buy shoes that you know are against the rules, and you can't really complain if you chose not to follow the rules. But I can see how this came about, and therefore surely it is better to get tough on school uniform right from the first day.

Agree entirely. Read the article and thought it was ridiculous!

poster MrsSparkles Tue 06-Sep-16 19:21:40

Totally agree my sons head said if you can't get the basics right the children have no chance

It's about being told xyz and doing xyz and also parents taking a interest in my sons school the parents would be well raging

They used to ring you at work to collect your child they would even say why just leave a message that you were to collect your child then when you came you had a meeting with the mentor with your child about uniform policey and then asked to come back when you had the correct uniform

I told my son I have brought you the correct uniform I don't ever want to recive a call like that from your school

In primary at the lower levels it really winds me up when parents send their kids in the wrong uniform to make a point. It teaches kids that the school rules don't matter.

Ok some near the end of term ditch school shoes as being generous they've worn out so wear trainers that still fit. (Obviously top range Nike ones )

But sending your 6yo in bright red and white polka dot tights is just making a point imo

Personally when I went to look for high schools for dh I have to say I did find the ones that were more sloppy about uniform often had worse ofsted reports and didn't really impress me that much

The link is not strong uniform policey - good outcomes it's strong displine in all areas - good outcomes I really hate seeing girls off to school looking like there going clubbing or some such thing

I bloody hate school uniforms - I think it's an incredibly old-fashioned idea, and most of them are horrible. A dress code seems like a better plan.

Ridiculous rules. Ridiculous school uniform. Completely useless in my opinion.
My DS will be starting secondary tomorrow in incomplete uniform because the school uniform shop sold out. I asked what he was supposed to wear to school and was told, very casually, oh just buy some polo shirts from Asda. If he gets in trouble about it I won't be happy.

It's just make me laugh parents Madonna about the price of uniform but will happily send there child to school in trainers that coast £100+

My youngest is at nursey she dosent have a uniform I send her in a airtex and joggers and leather plimsoles

You would be amazed that children come in party dresses , baby heels Nike trainers then rage at the nursey when they are covered in paint Ect

It doesn't affect the 'who has what brand' even if you wear the entire uniform perfectly. At my school you were bullied for the label on your school bag, the kind of pens you brought, brand of lipgloss, etc. Kids will always find something to rank popularity with. God help you if you wore Kickers kick us when I was in school

This comes up every year in the autumn, and it's usually mostly down to some stupid new broom headteacher flexing his or her muscles. Uniform rules really are utterly pointless.

Seemed like a simple uniform to follow to me.

poster coffeetasteslikeshit

When he turns up in the morning you need to get the teacher who told you to get whatever to write a note stateing that fact so he can show teachers if there is a issue

Also school uniform is a fanstaic lever you can't tell whose parents have money and who's dosent also as we become more mutil cultural it gives girls who would be expected to cover up in black some respite sadly I have seen this on non uniform day

also parents are having enough issues following black shoes , white shirt and a blazer rule there will always be some parents who thinks it's fine for her daughter to have her clevege out or there son who were a t shirt that a bit 😳

My friend came out if work yesterday at 6pm and checked her phone.

She had a message from her DD school saying no longer allowed white socks. They started back today.
She wasn't best pleased at having to add a sock shop into her rush hour trip home!

But she knew they'd be sent home from school if in the wrong socks

Such a ridiculous waste of teacher time, not to mention in some cases pretty nastily misygynous and borderline abusive (the bra police/ measuring skirts).

How do other countries manage without uniforms? Answer: with no difficulty. My kids are 13 and 15 and go to their French middle and high schools in jeans and trainers, as do their peers.

At our school, kids were told to bring a bag big enough for several A4 books. Result? Purse sized bags among some of the boys, most kids adhering to rules.

Girls told to wear skirts on the knee. Result? About a quarter wearing skirts so short I can see underwear when they are seated.

Some people will take the piss no matter how reasonable the rule.

Interestingly most of Europe and America seems to manage just fine without uniform. It's not as if Britain has massively higher educational standards.