To think it's not hard to adhere to uniform rules

[Puzzledconfusedandbewildered]

Yet again in the fail a school has had protests from parents (and police presence) due to 50 students being turned away on day 1 for breaching the uniform rules

Aibu to think the rules are the rules and if you want your child to attend that school you adhere to them?

[RiverTam]

I wouldn't respect anyone so petty, and there's nothing unprofessional about wearing one sock colour over another. Which will have zero bearing on their education.

[RiverTam]

Most schools? What, all the schools in all the countries that don't have uniform are just in chaos? What absolute nonsense.

[TinklyLittleLaugh]

My children have been brought up to have scant respect for small minded jobsworths and to think twice about any rule that doesn't seem to exist for a logical reason. I'm happy with that.

My eldest two have managed to get into good universities despite having dodgy haircuts and wearing trainers to school. I'm happy with that too.

[dairymilkmonster]

I am very pro uniform for many reasons. Virtually wherever you work a an adult there will be a dress code/uniform to follow so it is part of education to get used to it. I realise teens are more tricky to get to do what you want, but generally i think parents have a responsibilty to provide the right uniform. is that not part of the consideration when choosing a school if you are fussed about it?

[pleasemothermay1]

poster TinklyLittleLaugh Tue 06-Se

So do you think nurses , police should wear what they like I hope you be fine with a fireman Turing up in thigh high boots

After all were all individuals 😳

They are ther to work it's not a fashion show you can wear what you want from 4 until bedtime and on weekends

My husbands a nurse a you cannot wear what you like nor could I when I was a nursey nurse

[Trifleorbust]

Schools here and schools abroad are two different issues. In a cultural system where education is intrinsically valued, you can do away with uniform. In a culture where quality of education is so variable, linked to class, ethnicity and location, you would be daft to. Too many parents allow their children to do the bare minimum already without getting rid of the few elements of discipline we actually have.

[Yorkieheaven]

most schools fall apart so schools in Europe, USA, Canada, New Zealand Australia fall apart. Don't be ridiculous.

I took discipline for my 4 very seriously and backed up the teachers 100% over behaviour and school work.

But adults fussing over the colour of socks is just fucking ridiculous.

Let them wear smart casual so smart jeans and shirt or leggings and shirt. What most of us would wear for work.

Poor teachers made to look so petty.

[pleasemothermay1]

poster TinklyLittleLaugH

But the won't get jobs I can assure you my lad has just gone to his first shit at teas of

Black shoes
White shirt
And black trousers until he gets his uniform

Sound familiar oh yes like most school uniforms

[Trifleorbust]

Tinkly, that's great for you. Unfortunately educators have to consider everyone, not just your contrary but intelligent little darlings

[pleasemothermay1]

Tesco that is

[Ragwort]

What about individualism, self expression? - - wear what you like at weekends, but what's so hard about sticking to the basic rules at school?

How are these children going to manage in the world of work - or will they all end up in wonderfully creative jobs where they can 'express themselves' as they wish. .

I used to be responsible for graduate management trainees in a large, multi national company and what a waste of time it was having to explain 'dress codes' to supposedly bright young people.

[Yorkieheaven]

There is no evidence that uniform equals a good school though ^trifle*

That would be a strong effective senior management team and head.

We teach our kids to look at evidence based data and then peddle this crap that uniform works. It really doesn't.

[TinklyLittleLaugh]

Actually, if there was a high school near us that did not have school uniform I would give it serious consideration, however, I do not have that choice available.

However the national award winning sixth form college in our town has no clothing policy whatsoever, and indeed published a lovely big group photo of all the kids with coloured hair at registration last September. In contrast the worst performing sixth form has a draconian "office" dress code.

[pleasemothermay1]

Let's see what jobs they get with dodgy haircuts and wearing trainers to an interview lol

I was actually amazed when my son attended collage interviews how many were dressed like they were off to Nisa to by some milk

[Trifleorbust]

Yorkie, I agree it's fucking ridiculous. Just wear the right colour socks and everyone's a winner. I can then turn my attention to wasting my time asking the kids to stop texting in class, talking over others, swinging on chairs and whatever else they need to do to feel like 'individuals'. Once I've stopped caring about that, perhaps I will have time to focus on teaching them

[Yorkieheaven]

Agree there's a dress code in lmost industries but smart casual is pretty easy to sort out.

Most school uniforms are so bloody vile they are neither smart or casual.

[pleasemothermay1]

TinklyLittleLaugh Tue

We all the the choice to home school

[Yorkieheaven]

Trifle that wouldn't be my kids as they were taught redoev

[Trifleorbust]

No one thing 'equals' a good school. Good discipline helps though.

[pointythings]

mothermayi the argument about the workplace is an utter, utter straw man. People have a choice about the jobs they do. They can choose to work in a profession that demands uniform, or not. And if in the worst case scenario they have to start on the shop floor and work their way up to where they want to be, that is still a choice they have.

Children at school do not have any choice because of the UK's ridiculous fetish for uniforms. All those posters going on about learning to respect the rules - yes, great, but we should also be teaching our children to question authority. If no-one had ever questioned authority when the rules were manifestly unjust and unreasonable, we would still have slavery, rape within marriage would still be legal, homosexuality would still be a crime and we would still have the death penalty. Civilisation is won by people questioning authority to make the world a better place, step by step.

I am just glad that my DDs go to a school with a sensible uniform policy which is sensibly policed. They can wear whatever the hell socks they want, have painted nails and dye their hair as long as it is a shade that occurs in nature. Meanwhile the school is shit hot on good behaviour, homework being done and stamping out bullying. That IMO is a school which has its priorities in the right place. And it's not a nice school in a leafy area with an easy catchment, it's just a good local school doing its best with a lot of common sense.

[Yorkieheaven]

Oh dear .. They were taught to respect their teachers and work hard.

I completely see you have other is sure to deal with but uniform shouldn't be one of them.

[TinklyLittleLaugh]

Please my kids have had plenty of jobs and they have dressed appropriately for their job. I think kids should dress appropriately for a day learning and playing. Can't see why that should incorporate blazers, ties and rules about sock colour.

[pleasemothermay1]

poster Yorkieheaven Tue 06-Sep-16 20:41:44

Not really parents have vary Diffrent idea of what is smart and casual

After only one non uniform day at my sons high school letters had to be sent out to what's ok and what's not ok to wear you wouldn't have thought that teachers would have to tell parents heels were not really approite for school even on non uniform day and that t shirts whith sexual slogans and or pictures were not to be worn


The same reason why some children shops sell belly tops for girls as young as 5 Somone is buying them

[StopMakingMeLogOn]

There is nothing wrong with not blindly adhering to stupid rules. We should be teaching our kids to question. There honestly is no reason for some of these daft rules beyond 'because I said so'. By all means have a uniform policy, but make it a sensible one.

[rosesarered9]

When DS was at primary school it was easy - standard trousers, polo shirt or proper shirt (whichever is preferred), black shoes and an optional navy blue jumper. Then he moved to secondary - tie, blazer, charcoal grey trousers, which we could only find at BHS (not very helpful now) or from the overpriced school shop.