To think it's not hard to adhere to uniform rules

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Yet again in the fail a school has had protests from parents (and police presence) due to 50 students being turned away on day 1 for breaching the uniform rules

Aibu to think the rules are the rules and if you want your child to attend that school you adhere to them?

I love a uniform and all it stands for.

It enables kids to focus on the education, places them all in the same shit clothing boat, makes them "uniform" and part of a school society.

This is not the same for NT children, adaptations should be made.

But lets' teach our kids the value of society, conforming to rules which will make their lives, and everyone else's, better. Uniforms are not the thought police and so I see no traction in those silly arguments.

I dont see the problem in just adhering to the dress code. (although I will admit that I dont see why socks cant be plain white or plain black).

I dont think it hurts to have some situations where the requirement is "these are the rules here, please follow them" without everyone having to have some kind of one-to-one huggy pow-wow meeting to careful justify everything to try and protect everyones sense of identity and individuality. Personally, every job I've had in my career has had a smart suits dresscode so its not the case that everyone can wander into work in a hoody and leggings if they want to, dressocde isnt some quaint and outdated victorian idea.

There are so many posts on here that boil down to "aaargh, they were so unreasonable, they think they can do whatever they want and the rules dont apply to them!". And yet there are so many advocates of "well of course the rules dont apply to MY family, because they're special".

I would a imagine these are the same sort who don't want the teachers visiting there home before. There child starts school

I wonder if there is a link between not supporting the school and how well a child achives oh wait there is

Trifle, you have an extraordinarily submissive attitude to authority. Do you just assume that every headteacher and governor is imbued with the wisdom of Solomon and everything they say has to be obeyed come what may, and can never be open to debate?

As for "They are in positions of authority and responsibility and that comes with discretion to make judgements. It is wishful and immature thinking to imagine that they have to keep defending their policies until you are satisfied": when did I say they had to keep defending their policies until I personally am satisfied? Maintained schools, academies and free schools receive public money and their staff have a responsibility that goes wider than individual parents. Having responsibility comes with a duty to make decisions responsibly not on the basis of "It's always been done like that" or "I'm going to make a big noise about uniform rules because it's actually easier than doing something about teaching standards."

All sorts of people are in positions of authority and responsibility with the discretion to make judgments: for instance, government ministers, MPs, judges, the police, doctors, social workers. We don't regard their decisions as immune from challenge. Why should school officials be in any different position?

Well if yu know better than people who are educators have specialist knowledge

Then home school your child and do eveyone a favour free up the space for parents who want to work with the school

Or go private

Then you can do your own thing but if you want to send your child to a school follow the rules

I happily abide by most school unifirm rules both sons went off in regulation uniform

Dd skirt is too short but she has gone back to wearing trousers ....very much none uniform trousers but if they told her off for that they would have to tell all the boys off as well and that would never do

My only bit of "rebellion" is to allow dd (when she wears a skirt) to wear socks with her tights

I'm not asking that schools justify uniform rules to individual parents. I'm asking that they justify them full stop, and that they do that by reference to evidence

I'm afraid that would just bring out the "yes but ..." crowd, insisting that the school's requirements somehow shouldn't apply to them. Anyway it's not so much about the clothes as an attitude ... let the uniform thing slip and soon, with such parents, it's something else

But if you have no uniform at all, the issue simply doesn't arise. Sure, awkward parents will be awkward come what may. But it's much easier to deal with an awkward parent when you're enforcing a sensible rule that when you're enforcing something pointless that makes no difference to their child's education.

I don't think sock colour etc really matters, it's about learning to adhere to rules.

Children learn that perfectly well by being required to adhere to logical rules like turning up to lessons on time with the right equipment. All they learn from uniform rules is how to evade them. How many girls go into school with skirts at the right length and roll them up at the waist as soon as they get in?

pleasemothermayI, do you imagine that schools in this country know better than educators in other countries that have schools with no uniform rules and get better results than we do?

Lesis yes this girl didn't have make up. I fail to see how those glasses are sexually provocative. Surely it's when people take off their glasses they're supposed to turn into stunners?? So says Hollywood anyway.

But if you have no uniform at all, the issue simply doesn't arise

That's a different issue though. This school does have a uniform, so the children should abide by it. If you don't want to change the policy, take it up with the school, don't just ignore it.

Sorry, if you want to change the policy

it's much easier to deal with an awkward parent when you're enforcing a sensible rule that when you're enforcing something pointless that makes no difference to their child's education

I imagine a lot of educators will have a different view on that As I said, it's the mindset which counts, and for too many, any kind of rule is something they simply can't countenance

If pupils were being expected to turn up in a suit of chain mail and ball gag that might be different, but is there really any need for such angst over a simple uniform?

Still, there's this to be said for it: at least it gives the schools a useful heads up on parental attitude

Not read the full thread but how did I know this school was going to be an academy.

I'm in favour of school uniform but some schools take the rules too far.

And I don't like expensive exclusive items when ordinary generic clothes from the likes of M&S would do the job just as well.

I imagine a lot of educators will have a different view on that

Apparently not in Europe and much of the US.

I am more concerned about the number of parents who are not supporting the school and upholding the rules. Children will always try to push boundaries but it is the teachers and parents who are there to educate and enforce.

My step son goes to a grammar school not far from Hartsdown and I caught him wearing faded, dirty black jeans and trainers to school during the week. When I collected him from school and asked him why he was not in uniform he said, 'no one noticed'.
I very clearly told him that if I caught him not wearing the correct school uniform again I would call the school and make sure that they DID NOTICE and repremanded/punished accordingly.

I wish that his school had the same policy as Hartsdown.

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Again is there anything about this picture Barr the blazer you cannot get form tesco or any other cheap shop

Sounds reasonable to me, school uniform should look smart.

lt does not cost any more to buy Clarkes school shoes than trainers, and stops the one upmanship of whose parents can afford the most expensive trainers.

l find it a real shame some parents do not take pride in their kids school and support it. They are the ignorant ones

My ds started year 9 today and his school is super strict on some uniform items but allows plain black trainers and turns out that "everyone" was getting Huaraches at £90-100 a pair if adult sizes.
So ex decided to go halves on them and I bought them for ds in a size 12, they are horrible and look like canoes as his feet are so big but that's what he wanted.
His last years trainers were Adidas flux and were cheaper but unbelievably lasted the whole of year 8 which was a first.
I feel very sorry for the parents who cannot afford to buy the items that dc seem necessary ( yes my ds is probably a sheep but was badly bullied in year 7 and had to move schools so I want him to fit in )

I'm an 'educator', I think this ridiculous adherence to an outdated concept is nuts.

As is much of the way schools are run now. Hence rejigging our lives to accommodate home education. But not everyone wants to, or can do that. And they shouldn't have to. Schools do not exist to serve themselves, they exist to provide an education to children, and parents are a key stakeholder in that. Refuse to discuss or justify anything to them is a hugely arrogant stance...especially when you then wonder why kids and parents are disengaged with the process and questioning authority. When you have author you also have the responsibility to use it wisely...it doesn't afford you ultimate power.

None uniform primary and non uniform comprehensive for me. Who knows, maybe if they'd had uniform I might have four degrees instead of just the three!

Private schools here with strict uniform codes. No hair accessories for my daughter that are not the right colour or style. Ties and Blazers for winter from Year 1. White hat in summer! Bathers with their school colours and names on them.
The kids look great, teaches them to have pride in their school (easily identifiable uniform in the local community) and pride in their appearance. The discipline of a uniform is good for kids imo.
And Neither school has any issue with kids wearing incorrect uniform items.

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Police called/teachers threatened with assualt

Those advocating no uniform at all need to understand in countries where they do not have uniform they still have a dress code and items that are not permitted, so they still have the same running battles on inappropriate attire.

If you choose a school that has ruleset x then you are agreeing to follow ruleset x. If you do not like ruleset x go elsewhere.

Hate school uniform. Plenty of other countries do perfectly well without it, and if it were so essential for preparing for work then universities would have uniforms. I don't believe children should be taught to follow all rules without question.

If a school has to have a uniform, I don't see what's wrong with 'white shirt, black trousers/skirt, black shoes' or something equally simple. They'd have the perceived advantages of uniform, but without the authoritarian pettiness. Sending children home over socks is ridiculous.

I think part of the problem is that there are so few non-uniform schools. Whenever these threads come up, some parents say that they and their children really like uniform, and others that they don't - but the ones who dislike or oppose it don't usually have the opportunity to choose a school which better suits their values. If there was more choice in school ideology, these issues wouldn't come up.

I haven't got a problem with sticking to the schools rules in regards to uniforms being correct but what does pissed me off is a new headteacher who says back in July, that any leather black footwear are acceptable, DD double checks that that includes black leather converse (which she has worn since year 7) to which the new headteacher says yes as long as they are leather and completely black. I bet you know what's coming..... DD along with half the school get a 10 minute detention for wearing the wrong kind of shoe yesterday on their first day back. Headteacher completely back tracks saying she didn't mean converse which is a ballcocks. Apparently they'll keep getting daily detentions until they wear the shoes she deems acceptable. Gah!!!