To think it's not hard to adhere to uniform rules

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Yet again in the fail a school has had protests from parents (and police presence) due to 50 students being turned away on day 1 for breaching the uniform rules

Aibu to think the rules are the rules and if you want your child to attend that school you adhere to them?

I am not sure if I would want my children to go to school in the UK or not as there more I hear about british schools the more worried I get.

It's not the schools you should worry about - it's the culture.

Parents are advised what the rules are about uniform. If they can't be bothered to read the rules and follow them then the consequence is that their child gets sent home.
It's not difficult.
It's no good complaining when that happens.
It's probably the parents who are inconsistent and flaky about setting boundaries with their children who are the ones moaning about this.
Schools have enough trouble having to manage hundreds of children without them all setting their own standards. Their has to be a uniform approach to most things and not just clothes.

There...not their, sorry.

I don't know if anyone has posted this link before

southendnewsnetwork.com/news/outrage-at-southend-school-after-girl-is-sent-home-for-looking-too-pretty-in-uniform/

Her glasses and hairstyle were too sexually provocative for the male pupils. WTAF??

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That is disgusting

I usually read those articles thinking yeah bollocks, but the actual letter is there

Dh would have serious problem trying to calm me down if that was my daughter

I wholeheartedly agree with this headmaster! School rules are there for a reason. Abide by them or face the consequences, just as there would be consequences if we were to turn up to work without the correct uniform - or not adhere to a law. School rules are there to teach children how to live in society. Strict school uniform has also been proven to improve learning.
These parents who 'protested' should be ashamed of themselves. They should be supporting the school rules and setting an example for their children.... and it may be a controversial comment but why weren't the parents in work?

It is a ridiculous comment to say that school uniform is expensive. Proper trousers and shirts etc cost very little - a few pounds and those who are unable to afford uniform get given allowances to buy those items that are 'badged'.
This is simply a way for children to try and 'get away' with rule breaking and is totally unacceptable.

...funny how some of these parents are claiming that they can't afford normal school shoes but often send their children in with branded / designer clothes and footwear.

Good on this headmaster!

Her hair should be tied back - I am sure it's in the school rules ... it's school - not a party!

Is it a stupid rule, like forcing girls to wear skirts, or making boys have super short hair?

The head was on the radio this morning. Parents received a letter at the end of last term. The school has had a problem with bullying. The kids who turned up in correct uniform were being bullied by the trainer and skin tight clothing brigade.

Some of the kids had the correct uniform in their bags.

Strangely, it's never really occurred to me that school uniform was solely for the benefit of the pupils, its true benefit is for lazy parents, like me, who don't want to have to think about what to put their kids in for school. In that regard it is so much easier to have a prescriptive list from school to follow, which is why I'm so baffled by the parents who deliberately buy their kids non-uniform attire.

I would, and in my day did, complain if the uniform insisted girls had to wear skirts, because that it sexist and unfair in cold weather but I wouldn't send a daughter who hated skirts to a school which allowed only them unless she would benefit more from that school than others, in which case I would then campaign and encourage her to for girls to be allowed to wear trousers.

It's much easier to think, hmm, warm day, school dress or shorts than have to work out which shorts and what goes with them. But then, I'm a dress for comfort and practicality, not fashion type, unlike my daughter.

Amber, maybe those parents weren't at work because their children had just been turfed out of school? Not all kids have a key to the house or money and would need a parent to come home. Or maybe they are sahp, or self employed.
I don't like the implication that unemployed equals feckless loser who doesn't respect the school.
Personally I think respect (beyond the point of general good manners) needs to be earned and I think the head has just made himself look a bit of a dick by turfing people out over socks.

Most ridiculous sock story of all was when I was doing my finals at uni - had to wear uniform for that and one of the invigilators told the guy sitting next to me that he wouldn't be allowed to sit his final paper that afternoon if he didn't change his socks from red to black. We had 10 3 hour papers over 5 consecutive days so not quite sure when he was meant to do his laundry - ended up spending money he didn't have on a new pair instead of revising during his lunch break.

I think the idea is similar to the zero tolerance approach practised in new York in the 80's. By focusing on dealing with small low level misdemeanours it hopefully feeds it's way up to deal with the bigger challenges this school faces.

Outrage on my local fb groups last night re. safeguarding of sending children home without telling parents.

If a school has a problem with bullying over clothing, it has a problem with bullying, not clothing.

It's the letter and further quotations from the school that made me post that example. Usually it's sad face Daily Fail blowing it out of proportion but that letter is entirely victim blaming.

I remember having to get down on my knees on front of teachers to demonstrate that my skirt touched the floor. If it didn't, detention. Happy days eh.

Outrage on my local fb groups last night re. safeguarding of sending children home without telling parents.

Parents do know that their DCs can leave school at any time - don't they? Do they really believe they've entrusted their DCs to a secure facility?

They have literally given you a photo breakdown of what is allowed and what's not sorry but if your unable to follow somthing so simple I feel yu made need some other support if life

This is just so simple

Basically it pretty much comes down to the parents thinking fuck this I don't agree so I will get my daughters uniform from top shop

StopMakingMeLogOn - 'I don't like the implication that unemployed equals feckless loser who doesn't respect the school.'
No implication at all - that's what you assumed from my post....the parents (if at work) wouldn't have had to leave work to get their children /correct the uniform if they'd adhered to the RULES which were clearly communicated well before term started.

It's a simple disregard and disrespect of basic school rules - whether working, a millionaire, on benefits or stay at home mum/dad. Period.

If a school has a problem with bullying over clothing, it has a problem with bullying, not clothing.

I agree. However this is one of many ways to tackle it.

This is why most schools ban trainers, because it can lead to bullying. One way to tackle bullying is to remove the reason.

One dad emailed the school to say he's sending his child in the same uniform

Personally I would starting fineing as there missing school due to the parents fault

poster sashh W

Toattly at agree

I hope the school dosent back down clearly the majority of pupils are able to get the correct uniform

Go head teacher

Regarding the girl looking "too pretty" - my dd attends private school and to be honest over the last few years they have let stuff slip - skirt hems getting higher and higher and black lacy Victoria secrets gel bras under white shirts etc (14 year old girls wearing £40 bras now!!) They seem to have tightened up this term and I agree with it, teenage girls across to board ARE routinely more made up and skimpily dressed than ever what with endless make up videos on you tube and clothing companies aiming sexualized styles at younger and younger children anyway I digress. My dd has ridiculously long dark lashes and very dark brows naturally - yesterday she was told she had to "tone down" her make up for school or face detention when in fact it's just her natural features. Where does that leave her?! The underlying problem is kids today acting like adults, dressing in inappropriate ways and thinking they can do whatever they like because rule flouting is a good thing. Yes sometimes. But discipline of yourself is important too. Uniform is a good leveller I think.it's not hard.

I'm not asking that schools justify uniform rules to individual parents. I'm asking that they justify them full stop, and that they do that by reference to evidence

I'm afraid that would just bring out the "yes but ..." crowd, insisting that the school's requirements somehow shouldn't apply to them. Anyway it's not so much about the clothes as an attitude ... let the uniform thing slip and soon, with such parents, it's something else

Better, surely, for the schools to start off as they mean to go on

Here here next it will be justify the phones ban then justfiy somthing else

Thank goodness the children have Somone in there life

That simply says I am the adult your the child these are the rules that's it.

I can see why know one would want to be a teacher these days no support parents actively working against the school awful

And I can see why often emolyers feel young people are not equipped for the work place because often up til then they never had to do what they have been told ffs and often feels the rules simply don't apply