To wish Theresa May would just say sod it we're staying in the EU because ...

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It's her job to act in the best interest of our country.

We NEED access to the single market and won't get that without free movement of people.

The peace process in N Ireland will be in jeopardy if we erect a border between them and Ireland. It's too high a price to pay.

The referendum was advisory so PM May and the majority of MPs who were pro-remain need to say 'thanks for the advice but we can't deliver what you wanted without wrecking our country so we're staying'

Anyway, look , the sky hasn't fallen in. Enjoy your bank holiday and have lots of fun.

if the eu wanted to keep us, they would have given cameron some of his concessions. They didnt

A) that's not true, we did get concessions

B) even if you believed it were true, what makes you think we'll get a good deal from the EU as part of Brexit?

Only on mn am I hearing this sort of rubbish. We live in a democracy the majority who voted voted to Leave in a referendum all relevant parties agreed to abide by.

The economy is not collapsing, the sky is not falling in, our children will not be impoverished we will still trade with Europe and the rest of the world
Both Leave and Remain campaign told lies, lots of lies, lies about the economy, sovereignty and immigration but 2 million people who don't normally vote got off their arses and did. The issue was not, is not and will never be too complex it's a vote on all our futures. if you believe it is too complex and only 'educated' people should vote shame on you go live in a dictatorship somewhere for a while and regain an appreciation of the importance of democracy even if you don't agree with the result you should want our politicians to abide by it. The other option is appalling.

Agree Lyra. And just to add please remember that politicians are answerable to us- we hand them power by voting for them. Therefore they must carry out the will of the people. Theresa May cannot do anything but honour the Brexit result, anything else is undemocratic.

We live in a democratic society and the democratic decision was to leave. We need to listen to the majority of the voters and leave.

Yes, Cameron has really dropped us in it by agreeing to the referendum.

The government will have to choose between respecting democracy and doing what is in the best interests of the country.

I suspect we will end up with a fudge which will technically be "Brexit" but won't actually give the leave voters any of the things they wanted, and no one will be happy.

But, what many of us want to understand is what 'honouring the Brexit result' actually means.

Aside from catchphrases and slogans, actual facts about what we are starving for are somewhat thin on the ground.

Striving not starving

Agree Lyra.

And calling folk to voted to Leave uneducated is rude. I voted to Leave and if we'd have remained I truthfully would've sucked it up and moved on.

Let's be clear here - a democratic decision to leave was not made. A badly regulated opinion poll with me legal weight was taken.

We have years of prevarication ahead before the poll seems archaic and irrelevant and will be quietly discarded.

And Jonso, your comments about the media are deeply ironic.

The vast majority of the media was pro leave. A huge chunk of the popular media in this country is owned and controlled by a certain Australian-born American media mogul who is based offshore to avoid paying tax and has boasted about being able to swing the result of every general election in the UK. He's almost certainly right. He also said he wanted the UK to leave the EU because when he goes to Downing Street people do what he says, and when he goes to Brussels they tell him to piss off.

His media outlets are under no obligation to be impartial, so is it any wonder they were all heavily biased towards leave? Similar story with the Telegraph, Mail, Express etc.

Compare and contrast with the BBC, which has an obligation to be impartial. That meant that every time they were reporting a story about how the latest group of respected economists/organisations/businesses were all urging the people to vote remain and warning about the likely consequences of a leave vote, they had to find some complete nutter to say "well, I disagree entirely and this is just evidence of more Project Fear" in the interests of balance.

And then - irony of ironies - Brexiters interpreted this as the BBC being anti-leave. (No, lads, common sense is anti-leave.)

So yes, you're right. The media were extremely biased and completely stitched us up in order to protect the interests of a powerful elite. But not in the way you're clearly choosing to believe.

And then - irony of ironies - Brexiters interpreted this as the BBC being anti-leave. (No, lads, common sense is anti-leave.)

Oh leavers are all lads now too

.. As well as "believe anything", have no commonsense, uneducated and all the rest.

It's a shame as on the whole this thread is pretty respectful even though posters clearly have strong views on both sides.

It would be better if we could try to avoid stereotyping people who chose to vote differently to us.

Lads? I'm not a lad, I'm not even one of the lads if you want to patronize me please call me a girl at least or even a cisgirl if you really want to be really rude

Yabu OP and your claims are nonsense, but will be popular.

Loveintokyo I thought you were getting on with your thesis?

yabu OP and your claims are nonsense, but will be popular.

was could you, or any Leave voters elaborate on that?

I am resigned to Brexit but I don't think it's a big ask to want to know what that means, sadly it appears it is as no one actually seems to be able to articulate what 'Brexit means Brexit' means.

TM is Euro sceptic and always has been. She has seen first hand the barmy decisions that sometimes come from the courts as a result of judges interpreting ECHR.

I am pretty sure she'll not ignore the referendum result. However, she's being cautious and not rushing into triggering A50 before there's a plan in place.

to all of you that don't respect a democratic vote or its outcome......please tell me what you would of done instead in terms of voting? a genuine question

I do wonder.

If they are studying how to leave, perhaps the studies will show it's best not to? Regardless of the electorate opinion.

It is kind of funny how they have to find a way to leave with minimal damage. What is the point???
Anyway...

LoveInTokyo

your analysis of partiality by the media is quite right.

I'm actually glad I live in a country where all information media have an obligation to be impartial. All. They all have to give the same or proportional space or time. All.

Partiality by the media is something that I struggle with in the UK.

happyandsingle: What's wrong with parliamentary democracy? It is the bedrock of our constitution, after all. That way, complex economic and political decisions get made by reasonably well-educated people, ably assisted by experts, following an appropriate level of debate and scrutiny.

It's time for everyone (including me, reluctantly) to accept the decision and make the best of it. I have confidence in TM I think. Negativity and pessimism won't change anything anyway.

Happy - it wasn't a democratic vote. It was an opinion poll. One that the leave campaign lied and lied and lied all the way through ( then within 48 hours admitted everything they said was a lie).

Lweji It is a real problem. I'm not sure how you square freedom of the press (which is clearly important) with the fact that a small number of very powerful individuals seem hell-bent on using that freedom for mass manipulation to achieve their own ends.