To think the USA has to choose between two awful candidates

[EvalionAngel]

I am just amazed at how U.S. politics has ended up. We have a woman who steals nomination, lies, does speeches to Goldman Sachs then doesn't release them to the public and let's an ambassador die from her incompetence.

On the other side we have an ego maniac who treats people like dirt, attacks every minority under the sun and can't be trusted with the button.

If I was an American I would be ashamed of my country and how much of a joke it is. The amount of money in politics over there is a joke. I am glad we have PM May.

But in all honesty I think Trump is going to win. I have the gut feeling and I've predicted every election/referendum since John major. I predicted EU ref result as well. It scares me I hope I'm wrong, but then I don't like Hillary.

I'm not going to get rid of her. As it happens I don't live an ocean away and I'm going to vote for her

Apple, I'm with you. And her 😀. If Trump gets in, I don't think an ocean's going to protect anybody.

Ok. I have one question.

If the media are corrupt, the courts are corrupt and democracy is corrupt, what is this pure stream of information which has imbued you with the truth?

Two questions, sorry.

Do you genuinely believe that mathematical probability can be used as evidence of guilt?

www.theguardian.com/media/2016/aug/23/wikileaks-posts-sensitive-medical-information-saudi-arabia

Good old brave Wikileaks. Good old brave 'sex freak' Assange, hiding from rape allegations, pretending he's some some sort of political prisoner.

You said you were going to go and protest and prepare for 2018. That sounds like great. Do that. If you can manage to do it without regurgitating specious crap, you might convince some people. If you could also keep quiet about the 'praying' that Hillary was dead thing, that would be helpful. It makes you sound like someone I'd be scared to sit next to on a bus.

At our next GE we'll have a choice between voting for a party planning to privatise the NHS and an authoritarian socialist who doesn't approve of things like a free press.

Anglo-Saxon politics sucks right now.

Read what Seth Rich's family have to say -

www.ibtimes.com/seth-richs-family-shoots-down-conspiracy-theories-about-dnc-staffers-murder-after-2400026

Assange doesn't give a shit about that though does he? Do you?

Seth Rich's murder could just as easily been from someone who got the information they wanted and thought it convenient to implicate the DNC as well though. There is a long history of political (and civilian) assassinations from the right...

Statistics are relevant, I agree. They're not relevant to justice in the way you described, in the sense that if you're acused of something ten times, there's a 'mathematically probability' that you're guilty.

The Welsh miners / Margaret Thatcher situation is not analagous to what you're talking about.

Oh, and you clear aren't aware of the fact that the UK zoomers have exactly the same theories about the BBC that you do about US media.

Anyway, I have to go to work. Have fun on the internet.

You're really big with the violence metaphors, aren't you? When my son gets shot in the back of the head?

My first instinct was right. You can't talk to people like you and I shouldn't have attempted it. I'm making a complaint about that post to Mumsnet and about you and your casual attitude to murder.

I'm really surprised you can't find a job. You sound delightful.

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And I will not rest until justice is done. Until you lift the blinders off your eyes, I wish you godspeed-there is none so blind as she that will not see.

Oh, that's cheered me up. You are fucking MENTAL.

9/11, the theft of trillions? All those funky murders down in Texas?

Anglo-Saxon politics sucks right now.

"Anglo-Saxon" politics elected Kings, not passed it down by blood (which is what has cemented privilege in the English-speaking world). It was wiped out in 1066 by Norman politics.

It's how the brave new "egalitarian" US managed to entrench privilege again. Hence the Kennedy et al.

Bring back the Witan !

Is there a firm belief that Trump opposes war? My understanding is the opposite.

Politics in Scotland is the same. Broadly left wing people loathing and despising and jumping up and down with rage at other broadly left wing people, because they don't think they're left wing enough.

The labour party has been decimated in Scotland because they agree with the Tories on Independence. So we are more likely to have a Tory government now.

Nick Clegg was vilified for forming a coalition with the Tories. Result, the Tories got a clear majority the next time and Nick Clegg, who we now see was instrumental in reigning them in, is consigned to history.

I don't know much about Hillary if I'm honest. But anyone comparing her badness to that of Trump has lost all perspective. If they can't bring themselves to vote for the only credible alternative to Trump, they will get Trump.

Learn from our mistakes America, don't be us.

shadowcat, you really have been reading far too many conspiracy websites.

Oh right, her use of her private email server for classified State Department emails - she's still dissembling. This is further evidence of her shockingly poor judgement and arrogance.

She did exactly what the previous two Republicam Secs of State had done in response to the ineptness of the governmental IT dept.

Are you under the impression that I'm a Republican?

What Powell did wasn't even in the same ballpark - incidentally, he's not running for president!

Those who loathe her - do you know what her policies are?

I somehow missed this before. No, I have no idea.