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"Oh I didn't have you down as a mum of girls"

108 replies

OohMavis · 21/08/2016 08:27

So this has been said to me a couple of times now, and I am confused. I promise that the next time someone says it I'll ask what they mean, but for now, mumsnet thread!

AIBU in thinking that there's no sort of marker for a mother of boys or girls? What does a mother of girls act/dress/speak like? How am I falling so short as to be unbelievable?! Confused

Maybe it's the fact I have a 6yo DS too. Maybe he's polluted my 'mum of girls' vibe Hmm

What do they MEAN?

OP posts:
UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 21/08/2016 13:37

This thread has reminded me of two mums in my ds2's class at primary who could be called SMOGs - although I agree with Basil that that's a horrible phrase. But these women were just.... smug. No other way to describe it. Both had two girls, all the girls did ballet and modern dance and/or modelling, and were all very girly. The mums did look at the little boys like they were another species. They were pretty standoffish with me, being the mum of one of the aforementioned little boys (although I do have a dd as well).

It's weird. Definitely a weird thing to say, OP. I've give the Hmm look to anyone that said that to me.

thecatsarecrazy · 21/08/2016 13:46

I'm not girly and have 2 d.s but would desperately love a daughter

DownWithThisSortaThing · 21/08/2016 13:49

I remember a colleague of mine who had 2 DDs saying how worried she was when she found out she was expecting a boy, because she was a 'girly 'mum' and may not know what to do with a boy

I know someone who said the exact same thing! As if they were an unknown species Confused

reallyanotherone · 21/08/2016 14:01

Not at all. They love all their children, but they just don't suit being parents to girls.

In what way?

Do they take the girls to football and make them do maths, and let them run around gettng dirty and being active?

Rather than making them sit nicely and persuing activities more appropriate for girls..

There is no different way to parent boys than girls.

OhPuddleducks · 21/08/2016 14:04

It's not a one way thing though is it? I have one of each and a friend who only has boys said to me "you must be so glad to have a boy. They're so much more straight forward. Girls are just so manipulative..." I think some people are just a bit bonkers whether they have girls or boys or both....

toadgirl · 21/08/2016 14:10

People are very odd.

I was told once, many years ago, by a friend's boyf that I "looked like I'd like REM". The band, I presumed. No idea where they got that from. Can't stand REM.

pandarific · 21/08/2016 15:06

Some people are very wedded to gender stereotypes and apply them to not only their own lives, but to everyone else around them.

It's depressing.

fusionconfusion · 21/08/2016 15:26

"Children are children. If you constantly train them to sit down and play nicely regardless of biological sex, giving them stereotypical toy types - that's what they do. If you let them break things, run about in places where it is inappropriate and run roughshod over other children, eewing at any toy that is aimed at girls, that's how they will behave."

But in this is there an inherent judgement intended against the sort of boundary pushing behaviour of pushing forward, of drive, of taking risks, of testing what is and isn't expected in a given context. Why shouldn't girls occasionally test that, run around in inappropriate places, try things out that result in things getting broken, make mistakes in their approaches to others. Won't they naturally, if they are allowed? Why do we think children are a product of adult rules and regulations as opposed to having their own agency and autonomy which we must sometimes restrict and at other times encourage in ways that mean that mistakes will be made and there will be times when sitting colouring nicely isn't the best that can be made of a situation in terms of learning and developing?

What we need is for all kids to test their limits - and yes, that may well involve sometimes running roughshod over other children as we all learn from our excesses in friendship and relationships and love.

Show me someone who has never taken a risk with their own heart or anothers' and I'll show you a liar. I don't want my boys to sit down and shut up and never run about and I guarantee you if I had had girls I wouldn't have wanted that for them either. At the same time they need discipline, boundaries and rules of course.. but not that precludes the possibility of getting it wrong or doing the opposite of the expected from time to time.

I am tremendously grateful to my own parents for not being too prescriptive about what I could and couldn't do based on gender. I sat and coloured, I was nice and polite, I did all manner of expected things and sometimes I was wild and took risks and did things that were "wrong" and paid the price but also sometimes had wonderful times from taking those risks and made lifelong friendships etc.

The idea that it's the ideal for ANY child to be always well behaved, never screw up, never do anything inappropriate is absolutely suffocating and stifling and it's worrying we think it in the first place, let alone that we impose it on girls. The research is clear that authoritative not authoritarian parenting is most effective - and that involves not bloody sitting on them as though they were a lump of malleable material to be moulded at our will but learning how to let go of the reins and allow them to screw up and make their own rules which may or may not always match ours (as ours may or may not always be appropriate for the world they are making, which is evolving all the time).

NotAnotherHarlot · 21/08/2016 17:01

All children push limits. Adults who sit around chuckling benevolently while their kids irritate everyone around them and hurt other children are a pain in the arse.

fusionconfusion · 21/08/2016 18:45

Not what I said but nevermind.

Helicoptering doesn't teach children how to behave well. It teaches children how to make damn sure that they hide their less-than-perfect behaviour when there are adults watching but are mean as you like when out of sight.

Most children want to get on with others and be welcomed as part of their social group. They don't really need their parents to orchestrate and supervise every action to improve their social ability because they have their own natural abilities and interests in rubbing along well with others.

Adults who sit around constantly streaming directives at kids for fear that their shoes might get dirty or make a sound are also a pain in the arse, and there's many of them. Adults who do this disproportionately to girl children are doing them no favours whatsover.

Perhaps the real lesson children need isn't "if I don't harangue you constantly you will irritate everyone around you and hurt other children". Generally, this isn't what happens anyway. Most kids find balance with others because it is reinforcing for them to do so - not because Mummy was especially good at social skills directing from the sidelines.

JackandDiane · 21/08/2016 18:52

i have sons - am OBV superior Wink
you get masses of kudos from everyone ALL THE TIME

I am ( modesty aside) stylish and groomed. I think MORE since the boys got older tbh

NotAnotherHarlot · 21/08/2016 19:12

Fushion I don't disagree with your points in your last post. However, there are a substantial number of parents of boys who brush off bad behaviour while spouting "boys what can you do." Equally there are a substantial number of parents of girls who enforce sitting nicely, not getting dirty, pretty dresses and shoes over practical climbing/playing gear at the park. Neither is good but only the first one impacts on those around them. I don't like either.

captainproton · 21/08/2016 19:28

I have both girls and boys. I couldn't give a damn what toys they played with, who they played with or what other parents wear. I do think children need to learn things like manners, being kind and sitting nicely in places like hospital waiting rooms. And yes I do judge parents who quite obviously couldn't give a shit if their little darling was off running amok and generally pissing everyone off. BUT I have huge sympathies for parents who quite obviously are trying very hard to get their children to not be a PIA on a sadistic mission to destroy their parents sanity. We've all been there. I do I'm Afraid limit the amount of pink Shite in my daughters life. Just like the stupid 'boys will be boys' slogans on clothes. There is some pink dresses she has but she loves rough and tumble with her brothers and if I dressed her in dresses and pretty shoes she wouldn't be able to do half the climbing about she does.

Tbh I I have never heard of SMOG before but now I think I recognise the type. The girls usually have perfect French plaits and a million clips. How the hell do they get their kids to sit still that long? I've tried it on my daughter but she ain't got any patience.

BettyOBarley · 21/08/2016 19:45

My old boss used to say to me that when I had DC she could imagine me as mum to boys but not girls - I always felt there was an insult hidden in there somewhere!

Tapandgo · 22/08/2016 18:04

People often have preconceived ideas about things. Your clothes, your accent, your car all apparently suggest certain stereotypes to certain people. Often they are wrong.

It gives me great pleasure when they are wrong.

Doman · 22/08/2016 18:12

SMOG? That's very offensive. Especially when a lot of us are asked repeatedly if we will 'keep trying for a boy'.

I have no idea what people think a mum of girls or boys looks like. Absurd!

midsomermurderess · 22/08/2016 18:37

Some people do come out with god-awful shit don't they.

fusionconfusion · 22/08/2016 18:40

I appreciate your post NotAHarlot and I dont' entirely agree that only the first impacts on others in the long run. I think that the stifling of girls has a huge long term societal impact in how it reduces women's confidence in speaking up in a variety of contexts. I think it has a lot to do with women who give their opinions apolegetically or defer to men in meetings etc, or don't want to speak over others. It is of course good to be considerate to others - but not at the cost of having the ability and space to also direct your own course.It slightly breaks my heart every time I see it. It feels like short term action designed for the comfort of others with no regard for long term consequences for the child.

This should not be taken as a sign I would advocate letting ANY child behave in a substantially inconsiderate way to others (violent action, wild movements, not sitting in places it's patently unsafe, taking undue risks with property or people), It is simply the endlessness of directive commentary directed at girls with this message of "you are never as important as the perspectives of those around you" totally depressing when it is so obviously gendered. I suppose we have to ask why - who does this serve? Why girls, why not boys? I'd just like to see balance. I know some parents already do their best to ensure it but it is still worryingly common to be able to spot this disparity in any social space where children are playing.

Queenie3 · 22/08/2016 19:10

I'm a mum of two boys op and everyone thinks is be more suited to girls lol I wear a full face and do my hair and nails etc, but I love my boys more than anything I have so much fun playing with them or building knex or Lego, well with the older ds anyway younger ds is 9mo and when I was pregnant with him everyone thought I was wanting a girl, nope I wanted another boy. I think people are very stereotypical I wouldn't let what they say get to you. Xx

purplebunny2012 · 22/08/2016 19:24

Before I got pregnant I was told they could see me with a boy. When I was pg and found out I was carrying a boy, the reaction was "Oh, thank God!" Confused

monkeymamma · 22/08/2016 19:25

Ha ha. I'm very girly. When I found out my dc1 was a boy my workmates and friends were shocked! They all said they couldn't imagine me with a boy. Well I've got two now so they were wrong obvs!

NotAnotherHarlot · 22/08/2016 19:28

Fusion - it serves the PATRIARCHY! Girls made aware of the male gaze from tiny, "sit nicely, don't show your knickers off, cover your non-existent breasts, smile, look pretty" and so on. Don't be bossy, don't be loud.

That along with the disdain in "that's for girls" means girls have a disconnect with traditionally feminine toys/behaviours, refer to themselves as Tomboys and treat stereotypical girls with similar disdain.

I've had to speak to nursery about the boys annexing the building toys and excluding girls who want to play, I've had to teach mine to call out sexist behaviour which is stopping them from doing things they want to do, they have to be fierce. I'm trying to teach to respect other girls choices as no less valid and am continually picking up and challenging use of language to gender neutral. It's exhausting. But I won't stop.

I still call out parents of boys who treat girls as lesser beings and assume that mind will give way. My eldest was playing rugby and a boy on the opposite team assumed she'd swerve to avoid him shouldering into her. She didn't. He had an ankle injury. SHE was castigated by her peers.

Walk along a busy street and stop giving way to men walking in a straight line and see how many collisions you have. It's incredible. No wonder women dodge and take up less space in public spaces accomodating men. Not doing it causes chaos. There is so very far from being a balance and it starts in the cradle.

Assam · 22/08/2016 19:34

I've got both and never heard of SMOG but afraid it does 'label' a few I know Blush
Look down theirs noses at my perfectly gentle boys as if they're about to harm their precious flower Hmm or assume they fancy their daughters if they talk to them & try to marry them off aged 10 Hmm

IFinishedTheBiscuits · 22/08/2016 21:14

Walk along a busy street and stop giving way to men walking in a straight line and see how many collisions you have.
Every morning my sons switch to single file to let people past on the pavement and men and women coming the other way will move to one side. But we usually end up having to walk into the road because of mums coming the other way pushing buggies side by side, who make absolutely no effort to move to single file, or to say thank you.

honeylulu · 22/08/2016 21:57

I heard the acronym D-MOB on Good morning or whatever is called now, in opposition to SMOG = Defensive Mothers Of Boys. (I am one! )
Also have girl. She's twice as boisterous and loud as my boy!
Re: winter mum uniform (either sex or combo of children). Jeans, dark hoodie, olive green parka with furry hood plus converse. My H came to Saturday morning rhyme time once and started guffawing "all these women are dressed the same as you - is it a rule?" I hadn't even noticed. I was wearing cowboy boots not converse though

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