To think this person should be in jail?

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/female-transsexual-walks-free-court-8546941

Anyone else not comfortable with this being counted as a crime committed by a woman? And really not comfortable with this person not going to jail? I don't care if there are no female specific classes, (there is a reason for that btw, because women don't do this shit) this person was male enough to commit the crime they are male enough to go to men's prison.

So, in your opinion, the sentence is lenient according to the guidelines for cat 2 offences

Getting back to the point of the thread, yes.

Having read a bit more about the case, I think this should be a category 2 with high culpability - my last post assumed category 2 with lower culpability. That means the starting point is 3 years custody with a range of 2-6 years. So definitely a very lenient sentence in my view. I hope the prosecution appeal. If they do I would expect a custodial sentence, probably in the 2-3 years range with a 10% reduction for the guilty plea. However I am judging from press reports. There may be aggravating or mitigating factors of which I am not aware.

It is illegal to discriminate against a person who has undergone such reassignment therapy.

It is illegal to discriminate against women (with vaginas) by forcing them to share space with sex offenders (with penises).

What don't you get about this? Everyone else gets it. Just not you.

THAT is why you get called a goady fucker. You're arguing that black is white. It's not.

Just throwing it out there, but from a psycho-therapeutic perspective it actually makes a lot of sense, relatively speaking, for a pre-op transexual woman to hate her penis and seek to abuse it. Whilst child abuse is disgusting and never okay the acts themselves and the idea that she will not re-offend now as a woman actually makes a lot of sense - perhaps that had a part to play in the sentencing?

The judge is still FUBAR and that woman's attitude is disgusting, jswc.

I think in this case we need a prison just for those who are transgender.

They can bleat about it being discriminatory but at the end of the day, you commit a crime, you lose your rights in what you want.

It is disgusting he has got away with this crime. It's telling men you can go and abuse whoever you want. Go and get a sex change and you will get away with it

She is a legal woman. A women's prison is therefore appropriate for her

Do you think it is appropriate to force women with vaginas to share space with males bodied sex offenders with penises?

It's not. If you think it is you must be some kind of vile misogynist.

You cannot base a psychiatric assessment on the fact that a person committed a crime involving a penis.

Perhaps not, but you can make the biological assessment that he was a man.

It's not me who needs to get a grip, Pearlman. You are the one marching out of time with everyone else on this thread.

Einna, that explains the genital beating, but not the photographs, the tying down or the urinating in his mouth.

And yes, I agree, a separate prison for MtT is probably the best way forward. Especially as no one seems all that bothered about reducing prison violence in male prisons, and we know that MtT are as violent as their male counterparts and therefore would make female inmates unsafe by their presence in female prisons.

The offender was a man, living as a man when the offence happened, was he not?

Legally you can change your recognised gender with a gender recognition certificate. But that doesn't mean you have actually changed sex, it means you are recognised to be presenting as your chosen gender, whatever that actually means. Biologically your sex can never actually change,
surely that's an acceptable scientific fact?

Do you think it is appropriate to force women with vaginas to share space with males bodied sex offenders with penises

As I understand it the offender in this case has undergone a sex change and no longer has a penis.

Xenophile agreed, though I'm not sure I can make any kind of accurate assessment based on an online news article. The photographs are probably a way to immortalize the moment, the peeing...IDK maybe they're just a kinky motherf*er. Either way, the person abused a child and needs to get a lot more than 2 years on the register for it :-/

I do agree that facilities for trans individuals is probably a good way forward as well, though I think it's going to be a long time coming. That said, it's well known that child abusers get treated very badly by other inmates in every other thread of prison, so I can't imagine putting her in a female prison or a MtF prison would do much to help her. If anything I can see other trans individuals treating her worse than biological women would due to the nature of the act.

the urinating in his mouth

That allegation that the accused got the victim to urinate in his mouth was dropped. The accused has not been found guilty of this particular act. That would potentially have made it a category 1 offence rather than category 2.

She's a trans woman now but when the offence was committed was a man, why is that so complicated for you? Pearlman

Aspects of how you present can be changed, such as having breast implants/breast removal, surgery to alter your genitals, artificial hormones, other surgery to alter facial features etc. But these don't alter your sex at all, in any way, they are body modifications.

I don't think it's acceptable for male-bodied people to be housed in women's prisons, regardless of how they present their gender. I am less concerned about people who have had surgery to change gender (male-to-trans) being housed in women's prisons as the risk to the women has been reduced.

I would want everyone to be treated with dignity and respect, regardless of how they present their gender, but this shouldn't override the dignity, respect and safety of other people.

wow just read the link
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Legally, if a transwoman has completed the paperwork to reassign her to a female gender, then she is a woman. She must be treated as such by institutions and systems like the prison service. That is the law. It does not matter whether the offence was committed at an earlier point, when she had a different gender.