To wonder if this is what people mean by gentle parenting

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3699191/Outrage-parents-allow-child-toilet-Morning-floor.html

Not sure why a one year old wouldn't have a nappy on as she clearly is not Notts trained at that age my one year old would be become destressed to be constantly wet

And what's the no medication about surely social service would become involved if they got very ill and parents did noting

Very odd

fanjoforthemammaries Wed 20-Jul-16 19:21:02

It's the Daily Mail. Undoubtedly totally invented and exaggerated to stir up outrage.

No! That's really NOT true in this instance! EVERY word is verbatim from their own 'documentary' on her blog.

And bollocks to the 'they're not media savvy' stuff -they are the polar opposite to that! I work in media and at best would call them attention-hungry (aka less politely but more generally referred to as media whores). If doubt this, just look at their own history of self-promotion escalating to point where warranted both a DM piece and an appearance on This Morning - trust me, neither of those just pop out of the blue and nor do they spring from nowhere.

If still doubt it, ask yourself why they agreed to the This Morning slot?

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Says it all really.

None of my children could read at age 5. 2 of the 3 now can read perfectly well, the third has SEN that mean he was never going to read at 5m 'taught' or not.
I could read when I was 2.5, my brother didn't read til he was 9. can you tell the difference between us now? No.

all this talk of neglect is ridiculous.

I choose not to vaccinate my children, this is known to my doctor and my childrens schools and anyone else who cares to ask. it's not a secret and its never been an issue or has anyone ever said anything about 'neglect' cos thats clearly nonsense.

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Nah, it's just society you are neglecting there fuckability, isn't it.

Obviously the only people on Earth to know how to really raise their kids .
I've met a few, most are barking. They often home school because of course they know better than highly qualified teachers.
I feel for these children.

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Peeing on the studio floor is the least of the worrying things about this family. Kids pee - I think you should clear up after your own, but that's bye-the-bye.

The extended BF is offensive to a lot of people. I am comfortable with public BF until a child reaches about two - after that, if you're doing it - do it in private to get your upset child calmed down, or to sleep or whatever, but quite frankly, I think an older child publicly feeding IS offensive.

salem i have my reasons, they are valid, i've shared them here more than once and I've no time at all for people who want to try and paint me as society hatin, selfish fucker. nothing could be further from the truth. so, i'm not biting on this occasion, i'm afraid.

I've not read the whole thread but it reminds me of the American couple who've just been jailed I believe for treating their young sons menginitis with herbs. He died. Overuse of antibiotics etc is dangerous but going too far the other way Is dangerous. She believes that sweating out a fever is good as the body is healing itself.my daughter used to get terrible high temperatures and had to be kept in a tepid bath for hours or she would fit repeatedly.

Please, please, please vaccinate your kids.

Things like measles - they're awful diseases. They're not 'mild in western well fed kids.' They kill, and maim. Measles also wipes the immune memory to a degree, so say your kid got chickenpox, recovered, then got measles, their immunity to chickenpox is gone. Deaths from infectious diseases of all types closely tracks after measles outbreaks. Getting measles actually makes a child more likely to die from any infectious disease in the aftermath.
We need herd immunity. Some kids are too young, or immune compromised, or under certain treatments and for them, contact with an unvaccinated child can kill.
By not vaccinating your children you risk their health and the health of the whole community.

I don't think its a style of parenting - just think they are bonkers... Their flat must stink. Apparently its one bedroom and they let the child pee on the floor.

The children didn't look neglected though so none of my business

BTW, they have been approached by the BBC also, will be interesting to see if they bite on that too in context of working out where they sit vis how much media attention they want.

Fairly horrifically (IMHO), apparently their daughter was unwell today ('poorly' in her Mother's words on FB vis 'media chaos' for her children....) but they did not disclose that to any member of Production Staff this morning. Had they done so, the piece would have been instantly pulled.

I know families that do all these things (home ed, breast feed till 4, avoid medicines, toilet train early) and the kids are great. Home educated kids generally achieve much higher academic grades.

Judging by my friends "gentle parenting" style, all I can assume is it means a lack of discipline.

Sometimes you need to just bloody say no or pull your kids into line!

I would expect that any child given that amount of 1-1 attention would achieve high academic grades. But much like private school educated kids, I would expect them to not achieve as highly at university level. However, is be happy to read any studies to the contrary.

Does anyone on this thread have any info on what the thinking is on the right age for various things in this approach? I'd be interested to see where the late reading, early toilet training comes from? Maybe I should read the blog.

Why would you feed your five year old in your picture when you have a perfectly good one year old sitting there, this is terrible press for bf!
Stupid woman!

heyrobot the blog is full of the weird and wonderful!

souper Why assume they're only socialising with other families doing the same as them? My friend's HE child has as many schooled friends as HE.

I was coming from the perspective of living in an anonymous urban environment in a small flat where it is dangerous for children to "play out" on their own or with others and being home-educated. There's a danger that, without forethought, children are rarely in a situation where they are outside of their parents' direct influence or eyesight.

For most children, this starts when they go to school: they are in an environment where their parents are not present, and this requires them to build new skills. We often see this as "socialisation", but, really, it's learning how to navigate a set of scenarios without a primary care giver within an immediate sphere of reference.

For children from tribal or traditional contexts that do not experience a formal school setting, this starts when they are old enough to go out to play on their own with minimal to zero supervision with siblings or other children from the tribe or village: this also requires them to build new skills in learning how to be outside of immediate parental reference. My grandfather and his siblings had free run of an area that was over 150 acres, for example.

My point is that home-educated children in a small flat in Brighton don;t have these opportunities. Yes, they can meet new children from all sorts of backgrounds, but if those meetings are arranged and most likely attended by their parents within fairly strict parameters, when do these children ever get a substantial amount of time to experience and learn how to navigate scenarios without a parent present or very nearby?

Compare the amount of time a schooled or a traditional/tribal child of ten will have spent in environments outside of direct parental control with a home-schooled child of ten that lives in Brighton with no capacity to roam free outside on their own or with other children, and maybe you can see what I mean.

Combined with a parental commitment to western-style extended attachment parenting, this is what I mean when I say there's a danger that the world of both parent and child can become very insular.

This article tells us SO much more about the Daily Fail and its readership than it does anything else.

Especially all the breastfeeding photos.

Fucking prurient weirdos.

I don't know why everyone is going on about HE, she was very specific about un-schooling. The photo of them on the blog was vile.
I did think it was hilarious that Ruth said we don't mind him jumping all over the sofa I was in stitches as Eamon had already said on Sky News earlier that morning that he can't stand people who don't parent their children. OK so judge me for watching Sky News

Now where is that ice-cream parlour ?

Mypocket - the weird photos are on their blog