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That teachers do NOT always get it right.

178 replies

callherwillow · 19/07/2016 09:15

  1. This is not teacher bashing. Teacher bashing would be criticising people just because they are teachers.
  1. I am a teacher. I know children misunderstand things, a lot. I know what can sound awful was actually nothing after establishing the facts. I would never recommend a parent goes in 'guns blazing.'
  1. I know teachers work hard. I know it can be thankless task, knackering, the odd mistake can be forgiven and indeed expected and so on and so forth.

Now to the crux.

Whenever someone complains about a teacher on here there are so many replies that assume the parent is unreasonable, that assume the teacher is right (because they are a teacher) and it's getting to the stage where I know opening a thread where someone asks about a teacher (which will happen a lot as so many have school age children) will have numerous pages insisting that whatever they are concerned about either didn't happen at all or that if it did, it's fine and excused on the basis teachers work hard.

No.

Teachers lie. I had a teacher tell a lie about me that could have been very serious indeed. Luckily, enough students were brave enough (and it was brave of them) to be truthful. The teacher in question was their head of year and it was a horribly awkward situation. I have known numerous Headteachers and senior teachers lie. They started their careers as ordinary classroom teachers. Do not kid yourselves teachers won't lie. They might lie out of awkwardness, out of anxiety, out of misplaced loyalty or just to be spiteful.

Teachers do sometimes take against a particular child. I haven't seen this happen a lot - only a handful of times - but it does happen. Again I am NOT saying if you think this is the case to go in 'guns blazing.' I am saying that while it's rare and probably is not the case, it is nonetheless a possibility.

Teachers don't know everything, that should be obvious. However, if you have real concerns about the education your child is getting, it does not stand that because the teacher has a degree and a teaching qualification that they know everything. I nearly missed out on my university place due to not being taught a vital part of the curriculum on one of my A levels. I am sure the teacher did not mean this to happen, I am sure they felt really bad about it. But still, if the university hadn't let me in anyway, that would have altered the course of my life. It certainly affected some other students in the class. It is acceptable to ask questions, to ask on here first and then raise concerns with the teacher. It is not acceptable for a load of ITS A TEACHER DON'T BE DAFT NOW RUN ALONG.

Teachers sometimes make a bad judgement. Nine times out of ten it's probably just a normal human error and I'd say let it go. If it's upsetting your child - raise it. A good teacher won't mind talking to you and sorting out whatever the issue is.

It's the end of term. Teachers for the most part do a brilliant job, but amongst them as well as the kind, intelligent, supportive and enthusiastic are the sinister, cruel, lying, bullying and incompetent. Rare? Yes. Never heard of? No.

Mumsnet is a great resource for sharing ideas about children's education and I think parents should be able to enquire about it without angry teachers slating them for having the gall to ask.

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smallfox2002 · 19/07/2016 15:45

Agreed.

Atenco · 19/07/2016 15:46

As a parent, and having been a teacher and child in school, I just had to answer this: The difference is 'bad' parents often have the ability to do serious mental and economic harm to the teacher. Whereas parents have the ability to move their child or make complaints in the case of a 'bad' teacher.
There's a huge power imbalance
I don't think there is anyone I admire more than a good teacher, but really, you think a bad teacher is only a problem for the parents? And the child? Primaryteach87 Does the effect on the child not concern you?

callherwillow · 19/07/2016 15:48

In your opinion, so when that happens to your child you can make a judgement call :)

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Marynary · 19/07/2016 15:48

Blissx I'm sure it has happened with healthcare professionals (not sure why you include receptionist your list, by the way) but not to the extent that it does on threads involving teachers. I am not basing my comments on the water coach trip thread as I haven't read it but I have no doubt that the attitude of certain posters in that thread is similar to others in that they are unwilling to accept that teachers ever do anything wrong.

callherwillow · 19/07/2016 15:49

A few X posts!

I meant the post about not giving a child a drink.

Polite request though, can we not rehash the other argument? I'm not trying to do that but to point out the teacher is not always right.

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smallfox2002 · 19/07/2016 15:50

I've agreed that the teacher is not always right. But I don't agree that this is the prevailing attitude on MN, there are as many who want to denigrate teachers as praise them.

callherwillow · 19/07/2016 15:53

Well like I say that's a difference in perspective :) I think I'm not the only one to notice it though.

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Lovecat · 19/07/2016 15:54

It is a slippery slope argument to point out that a teacher can be a predator. - your own words.

We did complain about the teacher to the Head. It got us nowhere. It was a private school, and we were given to understand that Ofsted had no power there. So we moved DD.

I said that there are loads of brilliant teachers. You seem to have ignored that part of my post, as it doesn't suit your argument.

However, those of us who have experienced crappy teaching both as pupils and as parents are less likely to accept it when it rears its head.

As I said, I work in a school. I know all about 'those' parents. But they are generally really worried about their children and for the most part that's where they're coming from when they come in to complain or to question. And yes it's time consuming and annoying when you're trying to do your job, but let's face it, if it weren't for the parents we wouldn't have a job. So a little compassion and understanding goes a long way, rather than a knee-jerk 'parents are always wrong' - which is how your posts are coming across.

Marynary · 19/07/2016 15:55

I was refering to the poster who said that their children had teachers that refused to acknowledge the existence of dyslexia and mocked the child.

It is a legitimate complaint but no doubt if the poster said that they had taunted their child about it you and certain other posters would say the child was lying. You might even accuse the parent of lying about the fact that the teacher had openly told them they didn't believe in dyslexia.

smallfox2002 · 19/07/2016 15:55

Which maybe indicates that you only notice the bits that confirm your pre conceived ideas then.

Marynary · 19/07/2016 15:55

they that a teacher

smallfox2002 · 19/07/2016 16:01

So a slippery slope argument says that one thing would lead to another.

The poster said that not complaining about a child getting a drink could lead to people not complaining about a predetor. Slippery slope.

I wouldn't ever have said that someone was lying at all and taunting a child regarding something would always be a cause for concern.

I also never said parents were always wrong, which I have repeated ad fucking nauseam.

ppeatfruit · 19/07/2016 16:03

Littleprinesses It's not unusual sadly. In 2 primary schools where my dcs went there were sexual predators. In one the teacher was just removed from that school and placed somewhere else to continue teaching Angry. The council was ineffectual. In the other the teacher was properly removed and charged but not until after the HT who wouldn't believe the parents' complaints and defended him until a dc shouted out 'pervert' at him.

Pearlman · 19/07/2016 16:03

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SpeakNoWords · 19/07/2016 16:07

I'm a teacher (well, I was a teacher as I've recently quit), and my DS1 will be starting school this September. I am intrigued to see what the experience will be like from the parent side of the equation, as opposed to the teacher side of the equation that I'm accustomed to.

From what I have seen on MN, it is the frequency with which threads about teachers come up that mark it out as different to other professions. I guess that's because many people who use MN have school aged children and so it's a major part of their lives.

I would happily admit to not being a perfect teacher, and I was always quite happy for parents to question me about any issues that they had encountered. I did always appreciate those parents who didn't take what their child had reported to them as the absolute truth, and allowed me to explain things from my perspective.

callherwillow · 19/07/2016 16:08

No, but then when someone mentions their dentist isn't perfect there aren't pages of outraged posts about how hard dentists work Grin

Do you think that the poster who's child was told dyslexia doesn't exist should STFU because to say so might upset a teacher?

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ppeatfruit · 19/07/2016 16:11

Pearlman Our children are in school almost EVERY DAY for a large part of their childhood. It would be strange if they were in the police station or dentists for that amount of time fgs.

Oblomov16 · 19/07/2016 16:11

Agree that having a balanced discussion on MN now re teachers, or a school problem, or an issue with someone's dd/ds AT school, seems nigh on impossible.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 19/07/2016 16:16

I spent a great deal of time working in an industry (still kinda am but not in the same way) that appears to have far more of an association with bashing or accusations of bashing.

I learnt very quickly that there are arseholes everywhere no matter what their pay check says and that if a service user has an issue with one then it's best to listen because often there's truth in it.

Anybody who has seen how children with additional needs can be treated in MS schools, or witnessed bold and apsolute denials of bullying issues or had to investigate a malicious complaint made AGAINST a parent by a teacher or seen some of the ways some head teachers treat other staff members cannot fail to understand that the profession is not perfect by default of being in it and that, just like my profession it often attracts totally the wrong type of person

teatowel · 19/07/2016 16:16

I loved my early days of teaching. You saw parents twice a year at parents evening unless their were huge problems. I'm sure the parents also appreciated my complete non involvement in their lives as well! :)

NeedsAsockamnesty · 19/07/2016 16:17

Oh I often see the same results on here when people make comments about childminders.

Apparently there all massively poor Angels doing it for the love of if and none of them are shit ever

Alfieisnoisy · 19/07/2016 16:21

Teachers work very hard no doubt about that and tbh I think they usually get it more right than wrong.

Sometimes the teacher bashing which goes on is horrendous though and makes me glad I am not a teacher.

My sons teachers have largely been amazing...even in the difficult Y7 the teachers I met were lovely. My complaints at that point were more the very nice but totally ineffectual SENCO and the aggressive HT who took offence at my opinion that DS wasn't coping any longer in mainstream.

Teachers though....they were largely brilliant and doing a bloody difficult job for not much reward.

Pearlman · 19/07/2016 16:22

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NickiFury · 19/07/2016 16:28

A specific thread set up to discuss why teachers aren't always right, absent any particular situation relevant to that topic? Weird.

Oh it isn't at all! I hate it when people label threads "weird" or "odd" because they don't like them.

There's any number of threads running right now from parents asking if they should have a moan about something at school and being shouted down.

The education profession is not untouchable, they can be discussed and it is not "weird" to do so.

ppeatfruit · 19/07/2016 16:31

Not weird at all. I was a teacher and I'm not taking offence about this thread. I try to be objective in my life and what I have said is the TRUTH if that is teacher bashing then so be it. I don't take it personally why should I?