To blame Islam even for this??

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I have just heard about a maniac axeman who has injured more than 20 people going on a rampage on a train. It's horrific and doesn't bear thinking about.
But is it fair that without any details people automatically assume it has something to do with the religion of Islam?

Of all the atrocities happening these days I feel so sad that after every such incident 1.8 billion Muslims are somehow held responsible. Fair?

Just after a general consensus to pick your brains and see is that really how people think?

There will always be socially excluded losers with a grudge against society but radical Islam seems to inspire some people to turn the thoughts into actions.

That's not necessarily untrue but look at the likes of Tommy Mair or Dylann Roof. Both white men of Christian backgrounds who were similar and did similar. I'm not saying radical Islam isn't a massive problem, but radicalisation leading certain types of people to murder isn't an exclusive to Islam.

When i was travelling in India in 2014 we went to a factory in the Muslim quarter of Varanassi to view some fabric and our assistant told me to always remember, every terrorist is a Muslim but not every Muslim is a terrorist. I always remember that.

My first thought was an extremeist, with everything that's going on. I read that he is a 17 year old refugee.

I'm afraid I always make a knee jerk assumption : I assume it will be a man who has a history of violence

'every terrorist is a Muslim...'? Oh come on. Just have a think about that.

My first thought with half hearing something about shootings is "American loner gun male". My second thought with shootings is "loner gun male with serious mental health problems". And then I might think Islamic extremist. With a bomb, then a few years ago the first thought would have been IRA (or offshoot thereof). These days, yes, I probably would think first of Islamic extremist.

Axe? Not sure.

It was a 17 year old Afghan refuge.

My first thought was 'disturbed Bavarian farmers boy' on hearing about the location and weapon.

Whatever we think initially - we are now having to think about where we travel, our general safety etc.
I have family living in Paris but I have no intention of visiting them there any time soon.
These people don't have to be part of an organisation to carry out these atrocious acts - but they do it and it's becoming more common by the day.
Angry young men of North African or middle eastern backgrounds are committing horrendous acts against innocent people.
It's changed my view on my own freedom to travel and I am now more suspicious of people. This is caused by the atrocities committed - not by me refusing to have an open mind.

It is of course contradictory if you look at it factually Liney, but he was trying to say that Muslims are all tarred with the same brush, that was key point in the quote i like to think.

'Every terrorist is a Muslim'.

Yeah, those IRA Muslims sure did a lot in the name of Islam, didn't they?

ffs read outside the box lol not what hits you first with that statement.

It's not unusual - I agree with this. Thomas Hamilton, Raoul Moat, Anders Breivik and Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel have far more in common with each other with their hate and anger at the world and inadequacy than the latter has with Mohammed Ali, Imran Khan, the Siddiqui family from Gogglebox and tons of other moderate Muslims.

Unfortunately some people use religion to legitimise their unacceptable behaviour.

Celeste, I understand why you would quote your experience in India but here in the UK and globally I don't think that sentiment is helpful (although I believe you may do). I was once asked by a fellow colleague from my own background to show a bit of humility following a terrorist attack, I was appalled as I in no way associated myself with people like this.
I truly believe the Muslim community in this country should stand proud with their neighbours supporting them all the way. Where I live we all sit well together and honestly don't remotely hear news like this an generalise.
OPxxxxxx, I know the feeling of wishing it isn't anyone connected with your beliefs

Fatuous OP there. Goading of a very high degree. Feel shame. But I'm sure you won't.

Hmm. I don't think you can blame people for assuming it was a Muslim extremist who committed the crime, can you?

I mean if a minority group of Chess players suddenly decided to form a militant group and go about murdering people unless they conformed to their specific brand of Chess club rules, and these attacks were all over the media for a few years - you wouldn't blame people for thinking 'I bet those Chess players are responsible - it's just their style"

Whether people decided to ignorantly, stupidly vilify all Muslims as a result is another matter. Which isn't fair, no. And I truly believe most people don't.

But you can't stop people making the connection initially. It's going to happen with all this crazy shit happening all over the world.

Chess players and a world religion under pressure is a stupid analogy to make.
And yes I'm not convinced by the drip feed 'I am a Muslim person' from the OP.

Early indications (though yet to be confirmed) are that the attacker is a "refugee". Such attacks were completely expected and indeed predicted.

Merkel encouraged illegal immigrants to swarm into Europe over the last couple of years. Unfortunately, it is not her, but rather the German people who are reaping the whirlwind.

One major demand in our Brexit negotiations must surely be that we will not allow any of Merkel's illegals into Britain.

Oh good old longfingers, with your compassionate world view, that only extends beyond your own nose. And fingers.

...It's not the best analogy. I'm tired, and I was playing chess

But my point was you can replace Islam with almost anything, it doesn't matter - if there's a very frequent pattern of violence carried out by a specific group of people, it's rational to assume - at least initially, and maybe in a knee-jerk sense, that a newly reported incident of a similar nature was carried out by that group of people.

But I don't think that means anyone who does assume that is tarring all Muslims with the same brush. Is the point I was trying to make.

We don't 'allow' illegal immigrants into the country. That's what makes them illegal.

I tend to see such news items and think, 'please don't let it be a so called Muslim that's involved'.

We don't 'allow' illegal immigrants into the country. That's what makes them illegal.
have you been to Manchester or Liverpool.

Why do you always remember that Celeste? Is it because you really think every terrorist is a Muslim? You might want to rethink that one!

OP your title is bizarre.