To think boys should be able to do Brownies?

[PrinceCharming7]

I'm a bit confused why they don't? Girls are allowed to do Scouts/Cubs/Beavers, so why can't boys do brownies?

Samcro at the risk of sounding like a broken record. They are separate organisations who make decisions independently of each other.

Out Guiding has had less rocky patches over the years. As I said previously am a bit of a geek over it!

It does seem 'unfair' that boys don't get this opportunity and girls do.

Boys had centuries of having this opportunity. The demand just isn't there anymore, it seems - previous posters wrote that the scouts only started to accept girls when there weren't enough boys anymore, so ...

I don't think boy-only environments are really good for boys ... that is, I don't know of any evidence that they are. British boarding schools for boys only seem to have been hellholes full of bullying in times past, and I am not entirely sure they have changed.
Sure, those things help (some) men seize power and keep it, but they don't make them happy.

Obviously, boys don't have a right to have girls act as the go-to victim so that other boys don't bully them, but I wouldn't be demanding a boys only space if I had a son.

but surely if boys can't have boys only spaces......why should girls

Noodle And with half the prospective members - they must be doing something right

"Boys had centuries of having this opportunity. "

so a ten yr old has had centuries of opportunity!!

Boney Why didn't the girls parents not start a girls brigade? There was already an organisation available for them to join, they presumably couldn't be arsed? Seems that parents of girls can be equally as lazy in that regard as the parents of boys have been made out to be,

Girls bully boys too.

But why should Rainbows and Beavers be joined? They're completely separate organisations. You might as well say swimming and ballet should join for the littlest, then split.

When it suits this thread, Rainbows and Beavers are equivalent, and OPs son can get everything that he could get from Rainbows (if allowed) form Beavers.

Then when it suits they're TOTALLY different and separate and can't be compared

It's so hypocritical, in one breath how different they are, and in another "why don't you send him to cubs OP"

samcro Noone is saying that boys can't have boys only spaces. In fact many members of Girlguiding lament that they no longer have Scouts to fulfill this, myself included.
However, Scouting took the decision to admit girls to stop their falling rolls. Should we as Girlguiding (a separate organisation) abandon one of our raison d'etre because of that?!

British boarding schools for boys only seem to have been hellholes full of bullying in times past, and I am not entirely sure they have changed.

So, just like girls only schools then?

They are TOTALLY different organisations

But why should Rainbows and Beavers be joined? They're completely separate organisations. You might as well say swimming and ballet should join for the littlest, then split.

Isnt that synchronised swimming?

They are TOTALLY different organisations

well, quite! so why does the OP keep getting told that her son can just have the same experience at Cubs, if Rainbows is so different?

Adulting Similar but different orgs. In that way that I see rugby and football to be similar, but not the same.

There also Boys Brigade/Girls Brigade, Badgers, Woodcraft Folk, Girls Friendly Society, Church Lads' and Church Girls' Brigade, the Baden-Powell Scouts Association, the British Boy Scouts and Britiah Girl Scouts Association and two separate organisations known as Pathfinders.

All similar, all different organisations.

WankersHacksandThieves
Boney Why didn't the girls parents not start a girls brigade?

There already was one, we ran various events with them, they also had had, beavers, brownies, scout, guides, sea/army cadets and various other organisations to choose from.
Why they had to choose the BB is beyond my comprehension.

VestalVirgin
Boys had centuries of having this opportunity.
Ah yes, the sins of the fathers argument, almost as good as anything with a "z" on the end.

The demand just isn't there anymore, it seems
So Why are people arguing the opposite?

The demand just isn't there anymore, it seems

Adulting The two organisations were set up with a very similar outlook. However they are separate.

Due to the founding principles they offer similar activities. (Overall I know locally this may not be the case)

One has gone down the road of co-ed. One hasn't.

Sadly the boys do miss out but that is not the fault of Girlguiding.

noodle

I started typing a reply.....but i think adult is being deliberately obtuse

At least i really hope she is

If you were in France, you'd have no less than 80 versions of Scouting/Guiding to choose from - link

My brownies hate 'craft' they say it's too much like school so we focus on lots of other things.

We have paired up with Cubs to complete joint activities outside the unit. Despite the kids all knowing each other from school the dynamics of our groups change massively so we stopped by their own choice.

The activities of our unit are chosen by our members, not the leaders.

I now have two new members who would not be allowed to attend with boys present.

HTH.

Boney - I'd have stood my ground in that circumstance - if people think that a different organisation would suit their child better then they way to do it is try to influence change within the organisations available to them rather than changing a different organisation. Because it would change, the dynamics would change to suit the different membership. As i've said before, I totally understand why Scouts changed their policy and I don't have an issue with that. I do though think it's unfair that girls get the option of both organisations while boys then struggle to get spaces in the only one they can attend. Opening up rainbows and brownies to boys is never going to be the answer though.

They don't necessarily do lots of crafts. Depends on who volunteers. Weeks I was in we would do loads of crafts otherwise they didn't do any.

Plenty of craft clubs about if that's his thing

Oh and Navigators

Again similar, but different organisations.

WankersHacksandThieves

The senior leaders (captain and lieutenants) were all of an age, position where they basically gave up, due to the stress and having it effect their lives outside of BB.

The new captain then has/had to go through some sort of selection/approval process (certainly training, as do the lieutenants and warrant officers) by battalion.

That's understandable Boney