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"ADHD is naughty boy syndrome"

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highten · 11/07/2016 11:30

My DD has suspected ADHD. I'm fed up with my mum/dad and my MIL/FIL, describing it as 'naughty boy syndrome'. My DD isn't exactly 'naughty'. Is this type of assumption going to continue throughout her whole life? Sad

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PenelopePitstops · 11/07/2016 18:08

Myname I agree with you entirely.

I teach pupils with ADHD and those without. One pupil has been repeatedly tested (at parents insistence) but doesn't have ADHD. Instead the parents fail to take any responsibility for bedtimes, a stable blood sugar diet and boundaries at home. This means the child presents very similar to pupils with ADHD but is the product of bad parenting.

Pupils with ADHD are usually delightfully honest and upfront about their issues. Very few use the condition as an excuse for their behaviour. Problems can happen when a pupil hears from a parent 'behave how you like, it's ok because you have ADHD'. This manifests itself through pupils as "I can do what I like because I have AADHD".

Dawndonnaagain · 11/07/2016 18:10

I do wonder if a bit of fresh air and better parenting would have made David a little less hard of thinking...

RubbleBubble00 · 11/07/2016 18:22

Or Davidecorator we have better understanding of disorders enabling parents to help their children. I'm a parent of one diagnosed and one on the way to diagnose adhd. Both present differently. Parenting plays a role with any diagnosis. Most parents do tons of reading and adapt home lives to fit their children's needs through their disorder.

Mrsfrumble · 11/07/2016 18:32

Thefitfatty wow, that Atlantic article you linked to is like a light bulb going on in my head. If someone had asked me to write an essay about never in my life being able to quite get my shit together, that's exactly what I would have written.

Do you mind if I ask you some questions about your diagnosis? Who did you speak to first, was it your GP? Were they sympathetic? Was there something that triggered you to seek a diagnosis? You can PM if you'd rather, or just ignore me of course. This thread is an epiphany for me.

EstrellaCircusGirl · 11/07/2016 18:33

I'm fairly certain that I have an undiagnosed, high-functioning form of ADHD. I'm not a boy, and certainly not a naughty one at that! I grew up being generally quite fearful of authority, so the idea of playing up never crossed my mind. I'm also quite academic and so perhaps didn't encounter the same challenges or triggers for 'naughty behaviour'.

However, I'm incredibly restless, always have 101 projects on the go (but generally complete about 5%), I become passionately (almost obsessively) interested in new hobbies, only to drop them without a second glance a couple of years down the line, I question things to the nth degree and suffer with both anxiety and insomnia from time to time. When things are really bad, my restlessness generally kicks in first, followed by obsessive interest in something, finished off with almost crippling frustration at either the impossibility of what I want to achieve or the sheer time and effort required to succeed.

hairycatmum · 11/07/2016 18:45

Hopefully one day, there will be a better understanding of ADHD and other behavioural or stimulus-processing conditions, and the perception that it is poor behaviour coupled with poor parenting will be thrown out. My lovely nephew has just been diagnosed as having high functioning autism (at age 22) after life long issues-I remember my sister asking their GP years ago if it was passible he was Aspie/autistic and the GP's response 'no, of course not. If he was autistic, he wouldn't be able to speak'. There's a lot of ignorance out there. You'll have to prepare yourself for comments about your parenting skills, indulging her poor behaviour, not being firm enough, all that sort of nonsense.

KickAssAngel · 11/07/2016 19:00

It's a shame that David can't read, otherwise he'd have read my comment about ADHD being diagnosed back in the 1770s. Hardly a modern thing.

AnotherUsernameBitesTheDust · 11/07/2016 19:07

My youngest DS has ADHD and ASD. He's not naughty, well, no naughtier than his brothers.

He has the inattentive type, which means most people don't understand why he's got a diagnosis because he's not particularly hyperactive. Come round at 11pm and he'll still be awake while his brothers have been asleep for hours.

He actually really reminds me of both me and my brother as children. Though my brother was definitely more hyperactive. I asked my mum if she thought my bro had ADHD (he died 15 years ago) and she said he was just a naughty boy. HmmA naughty boy whose nickname was fidget because he couldn't sit still, was always in trouble in school for it and talking too much, went through a myriad of college courses and jobs etc.

I signed up to do an online course about ADHD and I just haven't got the attention span to sit down and get on with it. My mum also laughed when I asked mentioned it in relation to me as well (and ASD, I always score very highly on the AQ questionnaire)

Yet she's so understanding about her grandchildren (other DS has ASD and MLD)

iPost · 11/07/2016 19:20

Estrella

Have a look at the Totally Unoffical ADHD Test For adults.

totallyadd.com/totallyadd-unofficial-adhd-test/

I laughed like a drain when I watched it. It was like somebody distilled the essence of me into a five minute video quiz. And DH and DS were killing themselves, yelling "point" every three seconds.

Watching that stopped the looming ADHD diagnosis feeling so scary and lonely. It set the tone for how we as a family deal with it and talk about it. Pretty much when I am AC/DCing (as DS puts it) it causes gales of laughter (with me, nt at me) rather than crossness and concern. Which has been a huge help in terms of turning my mood back up from really rather down.

Petal40 · 11/07/2016 19:22

What sort of things would an adult do ,if they had it and didn't know? And also is it different in adult males from females.

iPost · 11/07/2016 20:11

Petal

The video I posted above you is a good start point. It didn't so much as ring a bell in my house as ... set off a bell-centric orchestra.

Yes, it can and does present differently in females. This article is not too dense, but gives an overview of how ADHD can affect adult females.

totallyadd.com/common-adhd-symptoms-in-women/

It's a Candian site, but of all the ones I've looked at, it has the most watchable/readable resources. Worth a good poke around if you have any questions.

RubbleBubble00 · 11/07/2016 20:23

Oh god the arguing. Put our eldest adhd diagnose son with his undiagnosed but bet my bottom dollar that he has adhd dad. Oh my goodness they both argue and have to be rightHmm

KickAssAngel · 11/07/2016 21:04

I heart this t-shirt.

"ADHD is naughty boy syndrome"
CathyEarnshawsGhost · 11/07/2016 21:06

Love it iPost! only managed to watch to 7 minutes in though Blush

iPost · 11/07/2016 21:15

Are people with ADHD argumentative ?

Me - No. Well I'm not.

DH - Yes. Very. And yes you are. Very. You even argued with the OB-Gyn DURING CONTRACTIONS.

DS -

I think they are mistaken. It's just enthusiasm about the point being made, that to the untrained ear sounds argumentative.

And the OB-Gyn was wrong. Going from 3cm to 3.5 cm in 24 hours cannot be accurately described as "making progress". So I was just making a salient and highly relevant correction to her statement.

Hardly my fault she didn't know how to concede a point in a timely and gracious fashion.

iPost · 11/07/2016 21:18

Cathy

Grin You get ten points for that.

I usually find I , have to rewind and find the last bit I actually heard. Even stuff I really like has me drifting off. They say something, that starts a thought, that meets another thought, and they make a thought baby, which is a multiple birth .... ten minutes later I realise I haven't heard a word for ages.

KickAssAngel · 11/07/2016 21:22

So - I'm typing this while the video is playing!

I do think that some of these things lots of people do, but it's the combination of loads of this added up together.

About the argumentative nature. ADHD can be linked with a certain amount of stubbornness. I think it's because you KNOW the answer and can't be bothered to think through other arguments.

iPost · 11/07/2016 21:37

Kick

That's true. Both DH and DS managed to clock up a reasonable hoard of points.

The main difference was they only needed to watch the video once to see/hear it all and they knew how many points they had.

I've watched it tens of times, but haven't once managed to keep track of my score. Grin

I did wander off to get a pen and paper once in determination to see how many points I actually got. But ended up peeling paint off a flakey bit of the bannister by accident and then it was time for bed. DH woke me up in the middle of the night protesting about a pen stuck to his buttock again. I knew I had found one. Just must have lost it again between the drawer and the bannister. So I peeled it off him and put it in a safe place to take the test again in the morning. But forgot where the safe place was. Confused

Pens hate me. They grow legs and skitter off when I'm not looking.

Butterchunks · 12/07/2016 00:05

the fit what forum is that? My dp has ADD (inattentive) and as a partner it is difficult sometimes, and does often contribute to relationship problems.

I would love to read more on how to help him, and how to help myself. I have huge mh issues myself and he is wonderful at supporting me (although we do joke that he is so patient because he just forgets that there are any problems!)

Sorry to derail the thread!

Butterchunks · 12/07/2016 00:36

That will teach me not to refresh, missed a whole bunch of posts whilst typing.

I am definite yet to the argumentative traits. Dp and I have to work vv hard whenever we have difficult stuff to discuss. It takes a lot of focus from both of us not to end up in massive tangents of following his literal take on things and absolute logically reasoned (yor illogically sometimes) pov. He can also argue to beyong the point of reason, just for the sake of it and be overly defensive. He gets very overwhelmed and can easily loose the ability to follow what's being said or even continue in conversation.

On the plus side there are some ADD traits that can be quite positive (there are some Ted talks about this I think, how ADD traits can actually be considered strenghts etc). He never holds a grudge or drags up stuff from the past, never has bad feelings towards people, he is very resilient and open to instruction (it's just taken a few years to get the hang of managing the division of labour around housework). ADD or no ADD he is an absolutely wonderful father.

If anyone ever starts a support thread for adult adhd-ers and/or their partners and family I would be really interested to hear what people have got to say (and offer some of my/our experience).

fusionconfusion · 12/07/2016 00:41

I don't think ADHD is real in the way people want it to be eg observable under a miscroscope. I have a lot of issues with it as a label (and I have had it diagnosed, as well as OCD, in the past.. And have a son who also meets criteria).

When a flower doesn't bloom we don't blame the flower. We look at the soil, the conditions etc. ADHD type thinking is a liability in our modern world but our modern worldworld is pretty fucked up in what it expects of people in terms of attention and organisation. Hyperfocus and not wanting to learn boring shite is only a problem if someone somewhere has established an arbitrary rule that it shouldn't be so and individuals SHOULD be ' motivated' enough and 'self controlled' enough to acquiesce with the bullshit that is modern education even if there are no appreciable benefits.

As Gnarls Barkley sang.. Who do you think YOU are? Ha ha ha bless your sould, you think you're in control? Maybe you're crazy just like me...

Some of the pathologising of different ways of experiencing the mind and the world really is truly damaging. My life hasn't been a bed of roses but I truly believe that's because of arbitrarily unhelpful social structures rather than having a 'disordered brain'. A bit of flexibility and wiggle room for difference and things would be much less difficult.

KickAssAngel · 12/07/2016 03:41

Within the gay community there was/is the phrase 'queering the world' which is the idea that instead of gay people having to change or 'pass' to be accepted, the world should change to accept gay people.

I've also heard the phrase 'quirkify the world' around the issue of ADHD & spectrum behaviors - in that as well as trying to help people with a diagnosis to blend in, the world should also become more open minded and accepting of quirky or spectrum/ADHD behaviors.

There are some times when it does matter that someone learns to curb their behavior, or take meds, e.g. the impulse which made my daughter run across a road in front of a car when she was young. I need to teach her better impulse control. But other aspects of ADHD should/could just be accepted - so as a teacher I just give certain kids a check list of short tasks rather than a big project, and it's my job to redirect them back to the task. That approach to work management could easily be used in many work situations, and make the world an easier place for ADHD people to fit in.

There need to be both approaches really: both help the individual to adapt behavior where necessary, but also the world around them adapt to how they function.

Thefitfatty · 12/07/2016 04:56

Gosh I missed a lot. Let's start with:

This is going to sound ridiculous. But getting diagnosed was possibly the happiest day of my life. Knowing why I do(or don't do) the things I do (or forget to do) has left me on a high. I feel like running around singing "I'm not crap ! I'm not crap! I just have a thing".

Yes, yes, yes. I feel the same way.

Another question; do those of you with a diagnosis argue a lot?

Only online Grin. In real life I'm very passive when it comes to confrontation. However I believe that's a coping strategy I developed from a young age to try and control myself completely losing control and becoming verbally abusive. It's better for me to walk away from a fight, than to say something I will regret on impulse.

Do you mind if I ask you some questions about your diagnosis? Who did you speak to first, was it your GP? Were they sympathetic? Was there something that triggered you to seek a diagnosis?

No I don't mind. The possibility that I might have ADHD was brought up by a psychologist that DH and I were seeing for relationship counseling. Many of the issues we were having were directly related to the fact that I "never listened to him" or "ignored him."

While I was explaining to the psychologist that I have always found it really difficult to listen to people, both face to face and especially on the phone, and how I just drift off or my attention goes elsewhere and I've just learned to say "yes, uh-huh" to people to make them think I'm paying attention, I was also fidgeting like a mad thing. Shifting back and forth on my seat, my leg bouncing up and down (also usual behavior for me).

She just looked at me and asked if anyone has ever suspected that I had ADHD. I said no, because it has honestly never ever come up. I grew up in the 80's & 90's when girls didn't get ADHD. I was diagnosed with severe depression when I was 19, and always suspected that I might be bi-polar because depression never quite "fit" though the Prozac helped with some of the anxiety and emotional ups and downs.

She said I reminded her a lot of the children with ADHD that she worked with and gave me the name of a psychiatrist she works with that specializes in adult ADHD.

Now I'm in the UAE, so I didn't have to bother with GP's and referrals and NHS stuff. (which sucks because it costs a lot of money to see psychs and get the meds here). So when I went to see him, we talked, he asked me to take a written test, and we arranged for him to speak to my DH and my parents to talk about what I was like growing up. It was an eye opener for all of us. Despite the fact that my adopted brother was diagnosed with ADHD (he actually had Aspergers, which was often mistaken for ADHD in the 90's), my parents had always passed off my issues as...me being stupid and lazy, and far to imaginative, I guess. (My mother has her own mental things).

He's from the UK and said if we were there he would also request letters from former teachers or report cards.

My psychiatrist is great. Dealing with trying to get a very, very controlled substance in the UAE kind of sucks, but for the most part everyone close to me has seen the massive difference the meds have made in almost every aspect of my life (doing better at work, dealing with kid stuff, more confidence, more assertive, more organized, less mood swings, etc) and they can't argue with the diagnosis.

Hope that helped.

Thefitfatty · 12/07/2016 05:04

the fit what forum is that? My dp has ADD (inattentive) and as a partner it is difficult sometimes, and does often contribute to relationship problems.

www.addforums.com

My life hasn't been a bed of roses but I truly believe that's because of arbitrarily unhelpful social structures rather than having a 'disordered brain'. A bit of flexibility and wiggle room for difference and things would be much less difficult.

I disagree. I don't think different social structures would make me anymore of a "functioning" person. Presumably, even with more relaxed social structures people would still expect me to understand what they are saying. I would still be expected to remember to feed my kids or clean the house. I doubt drowning myself in drugs and booze to "cope" would ever be thought well of or considered healthy. Nor would blowing a months salary on a week long trip to Mexico on impulse.

I would still have the same struggles in different social structures.

Thefitfatty · 12/07/2016 05:23

Totally Unoffical ADHD Test For adults.

Brilliant! (Totally couldn't keep track of the points though).