Brexit rage

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What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

RockandRollsuicide I don't think that is true at all…Here's just one:
It is more democratic. Oh yes it is. The Commission may draft proposals but the EP has to agree. So we can vote for lawmakers (MEPs) through PR elections. That we don't vote, that we vote in tossers (Farage), is not down to the institution itself but to us. Being held to ransom by 150,000 Tories because only they can choose our Prime Minister? No thanks.

How can "Vote Leave Watch" be making these assessments already? We haven't even triggered article 50 yet, let alone actually left the EU! (the sooner it happens the better IMO). Many of us think it's likely that the benefits of leaving will be more long-term than short-term anyway.

In the week before the referendum almost 1.5 million jobs were advertised online, dropping to under 820,000 in the following week. This is an early indication that UK-based companies are pulling back from hiring following the EU referendum result. The 47% drop in job openings compared to last year is far outside the normal fluctuations we see, which tend to be between 5% and 10%. At this stage it is unclear if this is an early shock reaction from employers and whether this trend will continue, however, if recruitment budgets do contract and open headcounts are frozen, it will certainly have a negative impact on the UK economy.
Brian Kropp
HR practice leader at consultancy CEB"

Nope still furious op

Wanting MORE than little England fundamentally, and its class system, unfair health and education and essentially its selfishness.

the boring old facts behind the 'most googled' search term 'what is the EU?'

the 'massive' increase in searches equated to about 1000 people asking the question. About 250 people a day were looking it up before the referendum.

so yes, 400% hike but still not many people.

I don't see a "Little England". The UK would like to be more outward-looking around the world, instead of having to be restricted in so many ways to within the EU.

The EU is paradoxical, because it wants to gradually remove sovereignty and nation states to merge them into one, and yet it will then become one state itself.

The UK can want all it likes, and can look outward all it likes - it doesn't mean that other countries will reciprocate. Why should they, when it is so much easier to deal with the single market?

Well the simple answer is that it needs to be in their interests.

I have it badly.
I'm terrified, livid and feeling murderous at the same time.

Something must be done.

I'm late to this thread but I just want to rant about the idiocy of the mealy mouthed poster who bleated "recession is a strong word."

Yes it is and it is a strong thing too, and it is now a probability.

I am so cross with the sense that some voters seemed to have that Leave couldn't be that bad, because - I am guessing - if it was, then They wouldn't have put it on the table as a real option. As if like children we are permanently protected from making significant or damaging decisions. There is a massive rupture of democracy in this country caused by: FPTP and the futility of voting; the rightward convergence of all parties (and the futility of voting); the lies about austerity being required because of a period of public spending; which conflicts with the rational sense that we all have that we live in a rich 1st world country, and things shouldn't be this hard, for so many; the generally dishonest rightwing press and its deracination of all rational argument; and the resulting sense that there is very little choice about anything significant.

You treat the public like that and you stultify them. like teenagers given no age appropriate responsibility, they'll just crash the first car they ever get behind the wheel of, or drink themselves to death the first time they see an unlocked drinks cabinet.

What is infuriating is that, unlike the teenager surveying the smoking wreckage in horror, many Brexiters have no idea what they have done.

The sad thing is how weak minded people of this nation are that they need Europe to govern them and whing/moan/cry/march/petition because they did not side with the majority of those who voted. It's time to look beyond the failed European experiment that is not working for most European citizens and time to forge our own path. Perhaps should sum it up In relationships of the Control Europe has on us say you can say ltb

failed European experiment that is not working for most European citizens

Oops, someone forgot to tell them.
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/08/brexit-causes-resurgence-in-pro-eu-leanings-across-continent

Can you tell me how exactly Europe governed over you Yabba?

Off the cuff, three laws Europe made you comply with that you weren't happy with?

Here's my top 3 what's wrong with the UK rant. Tell me how leaving the EU will solve ANY of them.

1. Growing polarisation between rich and poor. Crises in health, housing education as a result of chronic underfunding.
2. Inadequate leadership. Tory governments are self-serving. Only interested in staying in power, only in serving vested interests.
3. Low morale. Despite being one of the world's biggest economies, only a tiny percentage of the population are feeling it.

just after we heard that we had left the EU apparently the most Googled question was 'What is the EU?'. Shocking that a lot of people voted to leave but didn't even know what the EU was.

Who told you it was Brexiters?

We haven't even triggered article 50 yet, let alone actually left the EU! (the sooner it happens the better IMO).

But we have already lost investment, contracts etc. My institution is down by at least 10 million and likely to be cutting at least 100 jobs in the coming months. The Leave camp did not admit that there would be significant losses of jobs and investment. They did not admit that we gain considerable investment, contracts, jobs, from being part of the EU.

I agree with you, citron. Those are the things that are wrong and Brexit doesn't make any difference to any of them.

element
What is the youth unemployment rate of Greece Spain and Italy? Is it working for them?
chardonay
Having to pay to move the eu between Belgium and France
Our elected government not being able to strike it's own trade deals
Subsidising farmers and locking others out to keep food prices free from market effects and artificially high
3 off top of head

I also think that a lot of Leave voters won't understand their decision has had consequences until they are personally affected, which will take a little time. Information about stock markets etc. doesn't seem to go in.

Queenofnowt please read my previous post on that classic ' I heard'.

Elements, I loved that. Far from destabilising the despised EU and bringing it down, Brexit may well have renewed and strengthened it. There are strong signs of a renewed drive to reform, as well.

At least I would have loved it if we hadn't stropped off, but accidentally left our bag and ball behind.

What is the youth unemployment rate of Greece Spain and Italy? Is it working for them?

Why ask me? I'm not a citizen of any other EU country. What the good citizens of Greece or elsewhere decide to do about their relationship (or lack thereof) within the EU is not up to me, is it?

Hell, about 90% of the posts on the EURef threads would have it that what is going on here in the UK is also nothing to do with me (as a Remainer) anymore, because Leave won, Remainers stop whinging and shut up, etc etc.

I am really fed up about it but I also feel we need to move on and come up with a 'good exit' that doesn't sling out the Europeans here.
I would also be concerned if the vote was overturned as the same arguments can be used in both directions.
It is completely rubbish and I am more down about it than angry. We need to now try and work together and address everyone's concerns and try and move on well.

And here's my top 3 about what leaving the EU is going to affect:

1. Excellence, innovation, originality. A brain drain is inevitable. Britain is the loser.
2. Influence and prestige. The hateful referendum campaign has held up a mirror to xenophobia and racism that have no place in a civilised society, let alone Britain.
3. London. It will still be one of the very best cities in the world but in weakening the engine that drives the British economy, we weaken all of us.

I think you're right, citron.