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Brexit rage

706 replies

holeinyourhead · 06/07/2016 18:52

What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

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fryingtoday · 07/07/2016 20:21

Yes - that's how I got my current house - cut out Any estate agents fees as I knocked on all doors in area I wanted and struck lucky with one who had just decided they would need to put on market. Got office rental for my company in a similar way ...

dybil · 07/07/2016 20:26

I'm channeling my Brexit rage into quitting smoking - had been a ten a day smoker for 10 years pre-vote. Haven't smoked since the results! A little bizarre but working for me!

Also I've recently moved to Canada. Was meant to be temporary but guess I might just stay here for the foreseeable!

nippiesweetie · 07/07/2016 20:52

Courage mon braves.

The longer Article 50 isn't triggered the less likely it is that it will ever be. French and German elections mean it probably won't be triggered until 2017. A vote in Parliament will be required because SOVEREIGNTY (Yay). Ironies of ironies, in our system parliament is sovereign. The referendum is advisory. Most MPs are remainers. There are also two well funded challenges about the legality of the referendum. Ireland (twice) and Denmark (once) have both run second referendums on EU issues which brought different results.

Today, betting odds have been cut from 3/1 to 2/1 that Brexit will not happen.

crossroads3 · 07/07/2016 21:00

What is the second legal challenge nippies? I know about the Mishcon de Reya challenge...

crossroads3 · 07/07/2016 21:01

Courage mon braves. Grin

Oui, courage mes petits!

Helmetbymidnight · 07/07/2016 21:04

Jazzy, that's so true- re the leave campaign deliberately not having a plan.

crossroads3 · 07/07/2016 21:10

The longer Article 50 isn't triggered the less likely it is that it will ever be. This article agrees:

next.ft.com/content/a6e37133-9c7f-3fcb-ae19-dfbc2d06d068

JoffreyBaratheon · 07/07/2016 21:19

Triggering it would be like carrying out a pre-planned suicide after the thing that made you want to commit suicide, is no longer relevant.

We're at the edge of a cliff but now we've looked over - who says we have to jump?

lalalonglegs · 07/07/2016 21:27

Andrea Leadsome does - has anyone seen the list posted by Ben Hart Guardian live blog 20.49? If that really is her campaign, I'm leaving the country Sad.

nippiesweetie · 07/07/2016 21:29

I follow David Allen Green (law journalist) on Twitter. The Mishcon de Reya case is, according to him, at a preliminary stage but there is another action by another group of lawyers about to be launched. He says there will be more on this tomorrow.

He is very funny and accessible and seems to be respected in his field.

Other reasons to be cheerful - the Brexit legalities are being examined over the summer by a special unit in the Cabinet Office led by, ta da, Oliver Letwin (Dave's parting shot). Letwin says it will be a fine grained, multi dimensional options paper. No doubt he will file it in a Green Park waste bin.

crossroads3 · 07/07/2016 21:31

Oops the ft article is now behind a paywall - sorry.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 07/07/2016 21:35

David Allen Green is the biz on Twitter, I've been following him too. His '50-50 chance that a50 will be triggered at all' confidence gives me a shard of hope.

crossroads3 · 07/07/2016 21:38

Ooh OK. Looking forward to tomorrow then. Off to Google any info on Letwin as well.

nippiesweetie · 07/07/2016 21:49

Crossroads Green is a FT journalist so that article is probably by him. Hey, it might be whistling in the dark but it's better than screaming.

Helmetbymidnight · 07/07/2016 21:56

On twitter, a guy (Ben Hart) has photographed a list - apparently from a Conservative advisor? stood next to him on the tube.

It includes trigger article 50 by September.
Get Boris to campaign around the country for her
Wage war on political correctness
Win back UKIP voters
Win the 52%

Blimey

citroenpresse · 07/07/2016 22:00

RockandRollsuicide of course I'm not attempting to offer up Netherlands total feelings here! Someone said there had been a poll (Dutch - but published in the Express) that indicated a pro-Nexit feeling. I posted a poll that did not indicate that…there are obviously people in both camps but it certainly isn't ALL pro-Nexit. The fact that the newspapers in NL are focussing on the economic aspects won't (as I think we can see related to what's happened in the UK) sway some people. But like you, chatting to any and everyone about it. The Dutch people at dinner tonight on the next door table were very anti-referendum because there were nervous of a populist vote. DH has been following the Dutch polls and after the UK BREXIT vote there was a huge jump in pro-Nexiting. I think its more likely that there would be a referendum about whether to have a referendum than an ACTUAL referendum….

citroenpresse · 07/07/2016 23:03

The murders of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh were seismic. A potential increase in racial hatred might make many countries (not just the Dutch) think (more carefully than the UK) about the implications of a referendum.

Paris7 · 08/07/2016 00:16

It's shocking but democracy had nothing to do with any of it for many of us. I've posted elsewhere so I'll try to keep it short.
I'm a British tax paying citizen living in France on a British sterling pension. Like many others in my situation I was not allowed my say. We were denied a vote for no valid reason that I can see on the arbitary basis that we had lived in Europe for 15 years.

It is just possible to justify the thought that we shouldn't vote to be represented by a UK politician I suppose, but this was a referendum where a citizen represents her or his self. We disinfranchised pensioners are some of the worst affected by the leave vote, why? Because our position is the exact reverse of this:

EVENING STANDARD 6 July 2016

"Nigel Farage has enjoyed a 12 per cent boost to his earnings thanks to the plunging value of the pound following the Brexit vote.

Mr Farage intends to keep his €100,000 job as a Member of the European Parliament despite resigning as Ukip leader on Monday.

He is paid in euros for the role - meaning he has effectively received a big boost to his annual earnings as a result of the pound's falling exchange rate. Mr Farage receives €98,556 for his basic salary as an MEP, which was worth £75,395 on the day of the EU referendum on June 23.

A pound was worth €1.30 at the time, before it suffered its biggest fall in decades as the Leave result became clear in the early hours of Friday, June 24. Today a pound was exchanging for €1.17 after a drop of 10 per cent against the euro since the day of the poll.

That means Mr Farage's MEP salary is now worth £84,221, a rise of 12 per cent and nearly £9,000."

That isn't all Nigel Farage is paid, there are also various "expenses"....

Daily Telegraph 7th July 2016

"MEPs can claim £120,000 a year in expenses without providing “real proof" of how the money is spent, because EU officials don't want to saddle them with an "administrative burden" which would hamper their freedom, a court heard.
EU expenses chief Frank Antoine-Poirel said that only on “very limited occasions” would MEPs be asked for “real proof” of where MEPs allowances ended up."

Farage had the referendum vote, we didn't. After the referendum, he like Beautiful Boris, immediately cut and ran. Neither were going to face up to the fiction they had been spouting, or the dire consequences.

As I said, many of us pay UK tax on our ruined UK pensions. 'No taxation without representation..." Democracy? The right to have our say? Well no... not really.

Yes there's plenty to fix in the EU but we can now see the disastrous price to be paid when trying to leave. Call their bluff, don't sign Article fifty, stay and get together with the others and seriously tough about deep reform. Do that and watch the pound take off again.

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QueenOfNowt · 08/07/2016 07:47

Shame on you all.

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StrictlyMumDancing · 08/07/2016 08:00

Oh, I had no clue the EU was being oppressed by the Uk. If only Murdoch and his ilk hadn't been so subtle we may have seen this all along. Hmm

allegretto · 08/07/2016 08:04

Paris7 - hear, hear. I didn't have a vote either and every time I hear people saying it was democratic I want to scream.

FTW63 · 08/07/2016 08:44

"It is just possible to justify the thought that we shouldn't vote to be represented by a UK politician I suppose, but this was a referendum where a citizen represents her or his self. We disinfranchised pensioners are some of the worst affected by the leave vote, why? Because our position is the exact reverse of this:"

^ Hear Hear Paris

Capricorn76 · 08/07/2016 08:46

I actually couldn't sleep properly last night after reading more about Leadsom. There's a reason she is supported by Nick Griffin and the rest of the far right. She wants to take away maternity rights for women who work for small businesses, is a homophobe and wants to bring back fox hunting. The country will not survive a week of her as PM.

TheElementsSong · 08/07/2016 08:57

I'm afraid, Capricorn, that those things you list are amongst the very reasons why she'll appeal to the Tory party membership and we're in grave danger of ending up with her at the helm.

sandrabedminster · 08/07/2016 09:20

You've lived outside the uk for 15+ years, I think its fair that you didn't get to vote.