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Aibu? Sorry it's deep and regarding the vote to leave

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user1466952915 · 26/06/2016 16:16

I was born in the early 70's to parents that came from India in the mid 60's, I was born in a time where we saw our mother chased into our house by skinhead thug as she was on her way too work. We were spat on at the park, even had a air rifle fired at me. Never responded to the abuse, words and physical, never as I was scared what would happen if I did.

I was the only Asian child in my year at school, and was bullied, spat on and called every offensive name under the sun. The teachers at the time turned a blind eye and I had even heard our head of year laugh at it.

When I went to play at a friends one of my memories is her neighbours lad chasing me around cars pulling my hair and kicking me.

Late 80's it all calms down.......

My husband is white English, not that, that matters, but it did to his mother who sadly still had the archaic ideas about not mixing races, even though she is blessed with 4 gorgeous grandchildren.

Now it's all back and with a vengeance, devastated my friend of 15 years shared race hate posts, seeing posts all over twitter about the race hate towards all races.

To say I can't cope is an understatement, I was born here but have had it made clear to me I don't belong most of my life.

We have paid or way own our own home and are just a regular family, But now my husband is beside himself with worry over his job, it's a French company and trying to deal with me fretting.

Please don't tell me my fears and worries aren't real as I can see they are, what do I do? how do I cope, we just want our quite life back and not that I am a second class citizen or not wanted, I have no other country to call home.

Sorry used an alias, been losing my mind over all this, even in my hobby circle the posts are so abhorrently upsetting, people sharing memes with racist comments. I'm just not strong enough to cope.

OP posts:
Destinysdaughter · 26/06/2016 19:04

After reading your post I was in tears and started a post asking how can white pp stop this tsunami of hate, sadly it just descended into another bunfight I want you to know that there are many, many people who value you and want you to be here

PanEuropeanPan · 26/06/2016 19:05

If anyone is interested, there are a number of anti-Brexit protests springing up in large towns and cities. And most seem to be organised for this week.

One way to find out the one in your area is to twitter search by hashtag your town stay. So ManchesterStay is on Tuesday 5-8 pm in Albert Square.

Seems esp important as the rate of Brexit racist attacks seem to be rising by the hour, and those are the ones being reported. Where we can it would be good to get out from behind keyboards and make a demonstration that we won't put up with our fellow people being treated in this way.

AllegraWho · 26/06/2016 19:07

It also worries me that people are saying that racists are in a minority, because I think it minimises the extent of the problem.

I say it because I genuinely believe it, but also because I have to believe it. It is in no way intended to minimise the problem - one incident is one too many, and there has been many more than that.

It is possible that, as a white person, I do not have quite the same appreciation of how vile racism can get, but I do assure you that my white skin has been no protection from the fuckwits, because the moment I open my mouth I am identified as "other".

Besides, I've seen and lived through an attempt by our nearest neighbours to eradicate my people, when the two were of pretty much identical racial stock. But when Christian church split into Orthodox and Catholic, some, oh, thousand years ago, the split cleaved the.country where I grew up in two, and that was good enough for fuckwits and psychopaths who needed someone to "other".

When I came to this country, I was 17, fed up of poverty and fear and hatred that are part and parcel of any conflict, and I found that the public belief, and the media stance, was very much "oh you funny Balkans people, you are forever squabbling about something or other, that's so alien to us" as well as "well, your lot must have done something to rile their lot".

I lost the count of the number of times I had to 1) mention Northern Ireland, and 2) point out that yeah, we did - we declared independence. Imagine, I said, if Scotland was to do the same,and Westminster declared war on Scotland because that sort of thing should just not be allowed. That's what happened.

And these were educated, affluent people, people who hired au-pairs like me.

So, you know, when I refer to fuckwit minority, it's not with the intention to minimise their toxicity at all. It's not the German intelligentsia of the 1930s dismissing "that funny chap Adolf". I am not dismissing the right wing racists, I am simply.still holding on to the belief that the majority of Brits are still decent folk who will not stand up for their shit.

3littlebadgers · 26/06/2016 19:39

I'm so sorry to anyone going through this op Flowers I'm reading this thread with a heavy heart thinking what our children have in store for their futures.
We live in an area of London with a huge mix of nationalities. I'd say slightly more than 50% of the children from my dc's school were either born overseas or born here to recent immigrants. I'm not 100% sure, as I've never stopped to think about it before, but it is lovely.
Our children look on the difference in race and religion as nothing more than something insignificant like hair or eye colour. That is how it should be.
My mother is Irish and my husband Turkish, if you are not welcome in this country of ours then neither are we. I wonder, exactly how many people would be.

PlymouthMaid1 · 26/06/2016 19:46

I am sad and angry that ignorant vocal racists have appropriated Brexit in this way and are scaring anybody who doesn't appear as white looking and sounding. I very much want to leave Europe but do not want anybody 'sent home' who has the right to be here. Those being threatening are thick louts and I will also be fighting to protect people from racist incidents if I see any.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 26/06/2016 19:58

I think the real patriots are the remain voters. Difference is the Britain we love is a tolerant place which welcomes people whatever their nationality, religion or race. If we lose that Britain in this fiasco then the world will be a much worse place. I will stand with you OP to say racism is always wrong and should not be used to push the main political agenda. I am so sad that you are already facing this types of attacks in your own country. Flowers

W8woman · 26/06/2016 20:13

I don't know what to say, other than that I am sickened on your behalf, and will say so whenever I see such hate. Almost in tears at the thought of a toddler being racially abused.

It seems the country is full of bell-ends who prefer to destroy everything others have built, just to make themselves feel better about their own hopeless loser lives.

HappydaysArehere · 26/06/2016 20:31

I cannot believe this heartbreaking thread. I thought it was all about numbers of migrants, not racism. I taught in a very multi-cultural school for fifteen years and loved it. The school was enriched by the various cultures and the children were lovely. To think that any of my past pupils are being subjected to abuse horrifies me. In my area there are immigrants which are part of our community. The pharmacist, the newsagent, the doctors, shopkeepers. All really friendly people. Shame on anyone exhibiting racial behaviour. I thought that went out years ago. I am so sorry.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 26/06/2016 20:37

I've already posted on this thread, but I just wanted to add that the British have a strong history of standing up against fascism. We didn't fall for it in the 30's when it was rife in Europe, and I really really hope we don't fall for it now. Brexit has undoubtedly been hijacked by far-right organisations that I would like to see crawl back under their stones - let's hope they do.

Battle of Cable Street 1936

Fascists - you shall not pass.

trafalgargal · 26/06/2016 20:46

So a few knuckle draggers have the mistaken impression that a Leave vote must be a vote for racism.

What has escaped their tiny brains that for some people a Leave vote was to reject the EU tolerance for some very far right influences in various European countries -

I really can't believe t he stupidity on social media of people taking as gospel everything they read . Have we had black shirts marching down the Mall today- you'd think so to hear some of the hysterical reactions. Get a grip - it's business as usual . Giving racists any attention at all is ridiculous - unless you want to give this tiny minority power to scare and intimidate . I'm fed up with it (and both my Mum and my grandparents were immigrants btw)

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 26/06/2016 20:57

Scoff all you like, trafalgargal - but we are approx 60hrs into a brexit vote and this is the result.

AllegraWho · 26/06/2016 20:57

Pretending they don't exist has never stopped a bully. Calling them out and stomping on them, collectively and hard, might.

CurbsideProphet · 26/06/2016 21:01

I'm so sorry that you are experiencing this OP and anyone else. Nothing else to say. I wish I could do more Flowers

PanEuropeanPan · 26/06/2016 21:01

Really naive post there trafalgar. It is nothing like business as usual.

minniebear · 26/06/2016 21:06

I'm so sorry for what you're experiencing OP, and I understand how upsetting and worrying it must be. Flowers

trafalgargal · 26/06/2016 21:09

Pretending they don't exist has never stopped a bully. Calling them out and stomping on them, collectively and hard, might.

So you are advocating violence ?

Guess the fuckwits are posting here too

There is a very real danger from liberals who have never experienced racism in their lives inflaming the situation further with well meaning but utterly stupid responses like this.
Drama llamaing and trying to spread panic will not achieve anything. Calm and logical thinking will.

Namechanger2015 · 26/06/2016 21:14

I'm with you OP, I have a similar background and grew up with racism in the 1980s.

I keep reading that any talk of 1930s politics and rhetoric is an exaggeration but I sincerely feel like we are heading this way. The E Europeans have been made massive scapegoats, Muslims next, and then all other ethnic minorities. It feels like things will get a lot, lot worse for us now. I could cry for my young children.

I live in London and am so glad of the anti-Brexit voices making their views heard. It makes me feel somewhat supported but I think we are treading a very fine line.

If the Brexit promises are not realised, we are next in the firing line. I'm very scared right now. Sad

SnowBells · 26/06/2016 21:18

I'm really ashamed of the U.K. right now. There I thought it's only weird Republicans in the US that hold a racist view... and suddenly it looks like Trump won't win, while the U.K. Brexit campaign won on the back of a lot of xenophobic propaganda.

My husband's colleague from Western Europe told him on the day of the result being announced that he's looking for a job outside the U.K. because he's so disgusted by what we've done. He's very well-educated and bloody good (comes up with ideas that make money for the company), so I expect there to be a brain rain soon.

The U.K. seems to want to turn its back on globalisation, when the way forward is to embrace it.

Silentelf · 26/06/2016 21:24

So sorry OP. I too am deeply ashamed of the U.K at the moment. I saw a clip on bbc website interviewing people (of Romford) who voted leave - one woman said it was because she went to the park one day with her family and there were no other English people and she didn't like that. Shock It makes me feel like the less English people there are anywhere the better. Despite being English myself, born and raised (in Romford as it happens). But we must not let hate win.

FoggyBottom · 26/06/2016 21:32

OP I'm so sorry. This is not our wonderful country, is it? The xenophobia and racism that have been revealed are not what Britain is, should, or could be.

I live in a quiet little country town, but out yesterday I saw the end of a couple of overtly racist incidents. The scum who were catcalling people in the street feel they have permission to do this now.

This is what we've really lost in this awful unnecessary referendum: an open connection with the rest of the world, and the recognition that we are global citizens. Not trade deals and regulations -- we've list a bit of our humanity.

[Flowers]Flowers

Ladybirdturd · 26/06/2016 21:32

Oh OP I am so sorry that you and others are experiencing this. I am so angry and ashamed that some of our fellow countrymen are behaving in such a vile way.

AllegraWho · 26/06/2016 21:41

So you are advocating violence ?

No, I use metaphors. Sorry if that confuses.

As for the rest of your post, it's clear that you've not read my previous one, which sadly makes it impossible to have a conversation.

But for anyone who is reading: one does not stop objectionable behaviour by pretending it does not exist. One stops it by clearly indicating that it's not acceptable.

user1466952915 · 26/06/2016 22:04

I have told my children, 2 who are at uni and the other who works to ignore anything and keep walking, I can't have them attacked in the physical sense or any sense really.

I have told them expressly not to get into any confrontation and not to answer back to anything.

I wont put my kids at risk.

x

OP posts:
AllegraWho · 26/06/2016 22:32

And that is sensible, OP. But should a racist/xenophobic attack happen in front of witnesses, these witnesses should react to protect the intended victim rather than ignore it.

And as for keyboard warriors, they should not go unchallenged. That does not put the challenger at risk of
bodily harm.

It bloody sucks that we are having to have this conversation at all...

Sunsetplumset · 26/06/2016 22:52

Op honestly did you think racism just disappeared or what? I don't understand your post tbh, there will always be racist people the only thing which has changed is not as many are vocal about it as they were in say the 1950's.
When you are racially abused and the police do absolutely nothing and your housing association say you are "making it up because the tenant has been there 16yrs" < happened to me
then you may realise nothing has changed.

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