Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to ask for some actual facts about how shit things are going to be?

228 replies

milkyface · 25/06/2016 09:07

Can someone please tell me exactly what's going to happen in the next year, 10 years, 20 years?

I mean please someone tell me EXACTLY how shit things are going to be.

I must be missing something because everyone seems to know exactly what position we're all going to be in in 1, 5, 10, 20 year plus, and I don't.

How can we be certain on what will happen when we haven't even left yet?

OP posts:
Lovelyjubbly87 · 25/06/2016 21:12

.... Because, things will be more easy to change via our own government instead of through many others. I am HOPING (before anyone else jumps in) that our government in light of the POSSIBLE financial situation will take stricter measures to save money. Such as taking on skilled workers from other countries.

BonerSibary · 25/06/2016 21:15

On the subject of Calais, the French government has said one thing and the town itself wants the opposite.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36626553

Seems rather foolish to assume considerable local pressure combined with the off you fuck then sentiment that we know is currently being expressed by other EU countries couldn't possibly result in a change to the current arrangement. Easier to dismiss it as scaremongering though, eh?

Lovelyjubbly87 · 25/06/2016 21:17

Exactly... No one knows! So we shall all see!

Our views are exactly that, views. Whatever we read in the media could be wrong, our so called 'facts' could be completely wrong but yet here everyone is arguing about it!

The arrogance of some people who have convinced themselves as being right is astounding. If we are all honest a lot of what we are saying now is based on emotion and propaganda... Only time will tell!

BonerSibary · 25/06/2016 21:20

.... Because, things will be more easy to change via our own government instead of through many others.

Umm, you do know there's a decent chance we're going to end up having to allow free movement in order to keep access to the single market, right? Meaning we get all the rules but none of the say we currently get, and making things less easy not more. Brexit politicians are already starting to acknowledge this.

I am HOPING (before anyone else jumps in) that our government in light of the POSSIBLE financial situation will take stricter measures to save money. Such as taking on skilled workers from other countries.

What, in addition to all the skilled and unskilled EU citizens who are still going to retain the right to seek work here when if we concede free movement? I don't think that will go down very well with all the people who voted leave thinking it would reduce migration.

tabulahrasa · 25/06/2016 21:22

"Our views are exactly that, views."

Except opinions based on how things work are much more likely than ones based purely on just what someone would like.

You might as well say, well I'd like Europe to shower us in gold and unicorns as a reward for voting to leave and that's my view so it's just as valid as one based on reality.

Comfortzone · 25/06/2016 21:23

Um, those saying borders will tighten and immigration will stop you do realise that free movement of people won't stop

Lovelyjubbly87 · 25/06/2016 21:23

Again it's all chance and ifs!

tabulahrasa · 25/06/2016 21:27

"Again it's all chance and ifs!"

Yes, because people voted for no facts, no plans, just lets leave and worry about the details afterwards...only this is afterwards and there's nothing in place.

oldharrysgame · 25/06/2016 21:28

The U.K. Is going to break up. How's that for starters? When the Governor of the Bank of England goes on telly to say, we've got some emergency cash to get us through this immediate crisis - that's a bad thing.
I'm in the "we'll get through this" camp but considerably less than 50 per cent of the electorate dropped us in this so my apologies for being pissed off.

Comfortzone · 25/06/2016 21:28

Lovely** yes the govt will now want to save money but only because it now HAS to more than before - precisely because trading between UK and other countries just got a whole lot more expensive,

consequently everyday items in shopping baskets will become more expensive

consequently govt will bring in austerity measures via cuts

consequently people will have less in their wallets as the priority will be to pay rent mortgage first

so many consequences to mention - so yes govt will SAVE money to replace the EU backup money which will no longer be available but it will make damn sure to find those ££££ from the pockets of its people. Conservatives tend to do that

lljkk · 25/06/2016 21:29

I don't have a crystal ball so I can't say what will happen. I know that I liked:

A wealthy country like UK redistributing some wealth to less wealthy people in the region, how this shored up our security.
Free movement in and out of UK from EU.
Chance to retire to Spain :).
High standard of product regulation.
Fast lane passport control when going to EU.
London as a big guns financial centre (okay I lie, not sure i liked this)
Big blue sky thinking in identifying & addressing mutual problems.
Many Chances for international collaboration in political matters.
Big Guns negotiation power, by combining with might of Germany, France, Italy.
Decision making by consensus.

But voters shot all that down. Oh well. No idea what good things we'll get instead.

Lovelyjubbly87 · 25/06/2016 21:30

So you think because someone's views are different to yours they are less likely to happen?!

My last words on this are (as people obviously won't accept anything other than their own opinion) I am happy we are out, I feel my children will benefit in the long run although we ourselves may suffer at first, I believe things will change for the better and I refuse to let people up on their high horses tell me that their thoughts are what will happen or is more likely to. Views from facts are better but how do you know the facts you've been given have been right? Ah right because we've never been lied to before have we. Can't be the government and the EU using scare tactics? Can't believe in our own country getting back to how it was before. What was interesting is that in the whole of my post that's the only thing picked on. I feel we will come out stronger in the end and I believe in our country and the decisions our people make. I don't believe people should be undermined for their opinion and I feel that people should be more gracious. I don't believe trade will be pulled and I don't believe the pound will stay down for long. I feel people should stop underestimating our country and stand together with the views that everyone dies share.

I hope in a few years we can come back and say it was the best decision we made... Until then I hope you have as negative evening as you believe our future holds.

BonerSibary · 25/06/2016 21:31

All chance? Erm, no. Lots of ifs, yes, but this is not going to come down to happenstance. Still, you should enjoy your illusions while you get the chance.

tabulahrasa · 25/06/2016 21:33

"So you think because someone's views are different to yours they are less likely to happen?!"

No, I think when someone's views are based on their imagination they're less likely to happen than ones based on reality.

Hamishandthefoxes · 25/06/2016 21:38

Lovely, I really really hope it works like that. I don't expect it to.

What I expect to happen is that Boris becomes prime minister, wait for the recession to kick in properly and have a lot of desperate people, quietly open negotiations with the EU and then tell everyone he's done an amazing deal which will save the world and he's going to sign up to it right now in our behalf.

I expect that deal to be significantly worse than the deal presented in this referendum but when there are fewer jobs, fewer social houses, tax increases and benefit reductions, there will be a lot of scared and angry people.

Comfortzone · 25/06/2016 21:41

How do we know it wasn't just scaremongering? Because thousands of highly educated economists/finance professionals/ intelligent professional people warned of collapse. But nevermind.

WeekendAway · 25/06/2016 21:42

What, like they didn't warn us of collapse when we actually had one?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/06/2016 21:42

It's fine cos we are going to take our country back Wink

Comfortzone · 25/06/2016 21:44

No they warned that this could be more severe. We were in a recovering economy with a flimsy PM who ignored the needs of the proletariat. He is now seeing the damage of putting elite voices before the people who needed him to push harder at EU meetings to make their lives better

Clandestino · 25/06/2016 22:07

I am sorry but isn't that utterly moronic that Leavers are actually asking WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NOW? What in the name of Farage did you then vote for? Leave cause it's going to be all great? FFS!!! And you talk bollocks about long-term if you don't even know what will be in a year? How can you vote for something you were well aware will fundamentally change a position of your own country forever if you now ask what will be?

Isn't that clear? NHS will prosper again because it won't be under pressure of too many people misusing it. Suddenly your children will have all places in school as those pesky primitives speaking foreign languages disappear. Long-term British welfare recipients will queue for all those jobs in chicken carcasses processing factories or construction industry, willing to work hard and long hours to learnhe something. Universities will flourish because Boris's priority as new PM will be education and research. London won't be that important and all money will go to the poor regions of the UK. Renting will be cheap because landlords won't have the Polish taking all houses. So will be mortgages. Bank won't even see the difference, EU or not. Sod the regulations, they will stay in London because of its cultivated inhabitants and a nice view of Thames.

lljkk · 25/06/2016 22:40

good post Clandestino

RepentAtLeisure · 25/06/2016 22:57

Not so much tighter but I believe they will be more controlled

What's more controlled than having 'our' borders patrolled in France? That Calais jungle camp is there because the French have been determinedly stopping refugees getting to Dover by tunnel, lorry, ferry. That arrangement is bound to be less secure now because we have voted to break a major tie between our two countries.

And as someone else already said, freedom of movement will still be a thing. indeed it's good for our poor old economy!

Wordsaremything · 25/06/2016 23:17

Well, if you live in Cornwall, or South Wales , or the North East I'd say it's vanishingly unlikely the loss in crucial e u regeneration funding will somehow be made up from Whitehall.

Because any paltry amount saved will be dwarfed in propping up the pound, then addressing the massive funding gap which will appear when our country is rated (at a conservative estimate) slightly too dodgy to invest in without imposing a cost.

In other words, the government will pay far more to borrow money. This also means either higher taxes or lower public spending, or both. This could also mean a privatised n h s, and zero funding for anything considered non-essential, such as the arts,or supporting upland wildlife habitats, rebuilding dry stone walls and planting wild flower meadows.

On a personal level, as all our lives are inextricably bound up with the financial markets, whether or not you actively invest in them, the uncertainty and risk aversion is likely to lead to falling house prices, ( poss a good thing) and lower returns on pension and other investments, leading to a lower standard of living in retirement.

Lastly of course, if your job is wholly or partially reliant on e u funding, e g if you work in e u funded academic research- you're stuffed.

And so, basically, is our country.

Lunde · 26/06/2016 01:49

One thing that will definitely happen is that billions of pounds will be tied up in the administrative reforms required for Brexit

  1. Trade negotiations and treaties with both EU and non Eu countries
  2. legal and administrative reviews to untangle the UK from 40+ years of EU law - parliament will have to vote on this and it will take years
  3. new civil service departments for border controls and administration of immigration systems whatever is chosen
  4. new bureaucracies to take over the functions carried out in Europe relating financing of university research, farming, fisheries, infrastructure and regeneration - unclear whether these will be funded at the same rate
  5. billions set aside to shore up the pound
6, administration of changeovers of EU documents such as passports/driving licences
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is closed and is no longer accepting replies. Click here to start a new thread.

Swipe left for the next trending thread