to ask for some actual facts about how shit things are going to be?

[milkyface]

Can someone please tell me exactly what's going to happen in the next year, 10 years, 20 years?

I mean please someone tell me EXACTLY how shit things are going to be.

I must be missing something because everyone seems to know exactly what position we're all going to be in in 1, 5, 10, 20 year plus, and I don't.

How can we be certain on what will happen when we haven't even left yet?

*How did you vote for "leave" without knowing the facts of what will happen? Why are you asking people who specifically voted "in" about what will happen?

The stupidity amazes me.*

This so so so much. No, OP, I can't tell you what will happen - because you've plunged us all into total uncertainty. Your arguments are like lying down in the middle of a road and then when someone says it's a bad idea disagreeing because it's not absolutely certain something will hit you and, anyway, they can't tell you whether it'll be a car, bus or lorry that hits you.

Could we have been certain what would have happened if we had remained?

MTV I am not here for a conflict at all . I respect people's opinion including yours , even if I don't agree .
I am proud that I voted out and I believe my children's future in the long term , will be bright and secured .
Enough of eu dictatorship, enough of draining money from us , enough of any type of wrong immigration , enough of criminals coming here doing crime , enough of Britain being a golden goose of EU .
And by the way MTV I live here 20 yrs and I am from eu country and we had a very bloody war . But we were not fake and didn't come to uk . Just for your information .
I came here to study and work and live and not scrounge like most of the imigrants .
I am all for point system and strict rules .

Ffs I'm not goading I'm asking a fucking question.

Fwiw I very nearly voted remain as it goes

I genuinely do not think either way we would have been certain on what would happen

And I am out of this debate , don't do name calling . All the best .

Could we have been certain what would have happened if we had remained?

Nope, but we would be in a position where we could work together more easily to deal with even negative events in a more controlled way and with good relationships and a sense of cooperation.

Instead, we decided on the chaos option and made our friends feel like we've stabbed them in the back.

Thank you red for answering my question.

I can understand that.

Could we have been certain what would have happened if we had remained?

I'm not even going to try to answer this question.

Great Britain is great.....except the likelihood of us being Great Britain in even the short term is now almost nil. There's no great in that, is there?

Economic arguments are uncertain, that is true, OP. It is not looking good, as uncertainty is so bad for business and the financial markets, and that has had immediate short term consequences. Like for me - I freelance for companies who all announced that they will stop using freelancers and implement a hiring freeze in the even of a leave vote. They're doing this until it is clear whether we continue with access to the common market or not. If not, they will expand mainland Europe offices and make London offices smaller. Many, many int'l companies are the same, and asked their staff to vote remain. Which is part of why London did.

What is resoundingly obviously in it's shittyness though, is the situation for the north of Ireland. They've had an open border with the Republic of Ireland for nearly 100 years. That it now in jeopardy, depending on the terms of our exit, which won't be clear for a long time.

Also, the north of Ireland has had massive inward investment from the EU. People, even those with very strong opinions, who have jobs and have money have very little incentive to violence. But when they lose their jobs and benefits are cut and YET AGAIN their democratic future has been taken out of their hands by the English, the peace process could be in serious trouble.

The british governments credit rating has already been reduced. That means our government debt costs more, as we will be paying higher interest rates.
The uncertainty will put off businesses from investing.
Anyone who has a job connected with the EU or funded through European funding will be out of a job. This includes some charity workers.
Boris Johnson will be our next prime minister.
These are certainties. There is a lot more that I think that will happen that are educated guesses.

Read the business and finance pages of the better quality papers? Take out a subscription to the Economist? Listen Radio 4?

We haven't even started the exit negotiations yet, so no one knows anything at the moment. Any economic forecast for longer than about 3 years is pointless anyway, or else we would have seen the 2008 crash coming way in advance.

The only thing that seems sure is that the division and hatred between the opposing sides is getting worse even though the referendum is over - something that I think will damage he country far more than brexit (and I am a remainer).

Hear hear.

Take back control

And disregard Democracy!

the division will be damaging, I agree. I think the whole thing would have been easier to accept if everyone eligible had voted and a clear lead was established. A million people is a huge number but in percentage terms it was so, so close. 60/40 and I'd feel far more ready to accept it.m

Have a look at the house section here. People have lost their mortgages and buyers since the decision yesterday. Real impact on real people immediately.

Take back control

And disregard Democracy!

It would make a lovely banner, wouldn't it?

A perfect meld of dignity and inspiration like the woman who tipped fake blood over her head in Parliament Sq yesterday.

Makes you proud to be British.

So many logical answers here Milkyface. Think of a game of dominoes. Knock on effects. No the sky won't turn black this weekend but people will end up with less to spend in shops on holidays on treats (as they'll be paying more in taxes to plug the funding gap which EU used to fill with £££££) Think about that for a moment.

Less spending in shops = more businesses going bust. More job losses. No money to pay mortgages. Mortgage defaulters. Banks unstable. Less likely to lend to anyone.

Less money spent by UK govt on what people actually want & thought they would get = more discontent amongst the leave voters as they won't be seeing any value or pots of gold on their doorsteps because of their choice to leave last week.

I have to ask milky
IF economists are not the be trusted because their 'predictions' can't be trusted, how the heck did you decide how to vote?

It is obvious that going out the EU will have some financial consequences, how did you judge if it would be better than staying? Did you use your intuition, you just knew?

I can tell you what is going to happen in the next year

-bank and financial institutions will carry on moving their offices somewhere more stable financially like Frankfurt. The City will lose its dominant position (and the money that goes with it).

• Anyone working within the EU system will be wo a job (I'm talking peole in Brussels etc, MEP but also a lot of people in the UK too)
• We are starting another recession which will weaken the economy again. Seen that we were under very strict budget restrictions, these will be worse again. The NHS, education, benefits etc... All will be affected.
• the political system in the UK is slowly but surely collapsing. Both the Conservative and the Labour party are under huge strain and TBH they also both don't seem to represent what people want either. So more political instability.
• the society as a whole will struggle to find its feet again re immigrant and integration and racism. Some people will use that vote as a clear signal it's OK to shout 'Go back home' to anyone that doesn't 'look' British enough (accent, skin colour or whatever) whilst other will want to keep the very welcoming Britain from 5~10 years ago.

That's just the start.

Okay I accept all your points.

I didn't know Anything I just voted with gut instinct after loads of reading, i don't know anything.. Not really. I did loads of reading up on it but for every point you read for remain there was an opposing point for brexit, and vice versa.

I'm not saying economists can't be trusted at all.

I'm saying that random mumsnetters opinions and predictions can't be taken as fact.

I have read and listened to all the predictions since it was announced that we have brexited. I'm not saying I don't believe any of it will happen at all.

My point - which I will say again - was that nobody really knows and there's too many hysterical people saying they absolutely know what will happen.

I'm not saying it's a good think we don't know - it's not.

I wish we did know what was going to happen if I'm honest. I deliberated for a long time on which way to vote and I wasn't confident on what would happen either way.

Oh and I absolutely don't know whether it will be better than staying. My gut sort of said it would but I'm not an expert and I wouldn't have advised anyone to base their decision on my gut feeling!

Also someone was asking me what do I consider wrong type of refugees , well fake ones and the economic migrants portraying themselves as a refugees . And it will stop.

How will it stop troubled? What's the plan, are we going to stop being a few miles off the coast of France? Will the civil war in Syria end when we leave, and ISIS lay down their arms? I assume OP you're as unhappy with Brexiters asserting predictions as facts as you are with Bremainers...

Just5minutes what is the story with the fake blood woman? I googled but can't find any reference to it.