To be disgusted by MN!

[MsJamieFraser]

Some people need to give their head a wobble and honestly grow the fuck up and stop throwing their toys out the pram.

I understand people are upset and even angry the way the referendum went, however that does not give anyone the right to be vile and abusive!

It's completely unacceptable to tell someone they need "opt out of life" because they choose there democratic right not to vote!

I am ashamed to be apart of this forum today!

MN admin shoud be ashamed of themselves, talk guidelines being broken left right and centre and you're no where to be seen!

Grow the fuck up and stop being unpleasant nasty fuckers! I very rarely swear but this place sickens me to the core of my stomach today!

SeaEagleFeather

flowers for everyone who has been on the receiving end of aggressive behaviour over the last day.

You mean the people with brown skins who have been told "haven't you fucked off already" in the street?

Yes. The are and were for everyone.

I've chosen to take a more optimistic view of the UKs potential

Well no, it's not optimistic as much as plain wrong.

We are under no obligation to join the Euro, so it is not 'inevitable', it's not even on the table. And Sterling was strong. It won't be once the economic consequences of leaving take effect in the long term.

We can't 'grow trade internationally' without trade agreements, and without the protection of EU trade agreements will be be negotiating terms far less favourable. Our imports will cost more, and we export dismally little comparative to other countries. Obama has already stated that we are at the back of the queue afa the US In concerned. The U.K. was and I mean was important to the US politically as a gateway to Europe, but it has never been economically.

And finally, immigration from outwith the EU cannot be controlled due to the situation in the ME. If you want access to the EU single market, you have to accept EU workers, in which case immigration from within the EU will continue.

Heh anty ... ye. The viciousness of the attacks on both sides is just so sad.

OP-no need to apologise for your dyslexia- your posts are perfectly comprehensible and your dyslexia is not apparent at all in (at least) my understanding of them. There is not one single error of grammar or spelling anywhere. Your meaning is perfectly clear.

Take that comment as you see fit.

gloria

I respect your opinion but we obviously disagree.

Best

But Stratter EU immigration is not at all controlled and still has the potential to get further out of hand. The humble voter doesn't feel he/she is listened to or can massively influence other types of immigration beyond voting in a GE for the party they think is most likely to get a handle on it. But that would inevitably mean a vote for UKIP which obviously for other reasons outside of immigration control alone, many people are reluctant to do. And none of the other parties seem to be taking the immigration issue seriously enough.

Through the referendum, people saw a chance to at least have some say and some control over at least one type of immigration - EU immigration. And it's EU migration which, being uncontrolled, could potentially get very, very out of hand indeed in coming years and we'd have been powerless to stem it. It's all very well saying that other member states don't have this obsessive fear of immigration, but most of the other member states find that their flow of EU migration is only going one way - out.

It's not just immigration alone, it's the soaring birth rate that comes with it. While immigrants do work hard (mostly) and do pay tax (mostly) their arrival in such huge numbers in such a short space of time has had a devastating effect on lower paid blue collar type employment across the board, low pay, zero hours contracts, undercutting British workers so they can't/won't compete, (but that's a whole other thread for another time). We have ended up with a situation where there just aren't enough net contributors full stop, to keep funding our public services the way we expect them to be funded for the growing UK population.

And that can only get worse if and when Turkey joins. I think it's perfectly understandable that so many people are just not prepared to take that chance. It really doesn't matter whether or not many millions of poorly qualified and unskilled Turks are likely to want to come to the UK. The simple fact is that we cannot allow a situation where, in theory at least, they will be entitled to.

I really think if we had not had Tony Blair and Gordon Brown in government for so long, fucking over the very people they purported to represent and dismissing them as too stupid to know what was best for them, we would probably not have arrived at a place where we've voted to leave. The last 15 years or so has been a slow car crash unfolding to where we are at today. If it were not for the immigration issue (overall I mean, not just EU migration) we'd still be moaning about bendy bananas and gravy trains but I think we'd have stuck with the EU for all its faults, regardless. As it is, voting to leave is a desperate and feeble attempt to pull up the drawbridge, too little and too late but it's all demoralised people feel they can do.

weekendaway
I wish we had a clapping emoji. You are spot on

Unfortunately I can't say that I respect your opinion UptheAnty as much is based on inaccurate information.

gloria
I think we've exhausted our conversation now

The comment you have misquoted in your OP was mine Jamie

Would you care to misquote my apology , and the acceptance of it by the OP of the thread this TAAT is about?

Derek that was me, I'm sorry I caused offence
I do believe that opting out of politics is opting out of real life but reading back what I posted I see that it was very clumsy and did not wish it to be interpreted how it was, I'm very sorry. I asked MN to delete it a while ago.

Clearly UptheAnty that goes without saying.

weekendaway I was interested to see you say that immigration in other eu countries is only going one way-out. I was interested, so I actually looked it up and Germany has significantly higher immigration according to the stats I found on Europa.eu - It only took a few minutes to look up.

I said most of the other EU member states. Germany is not one of the ones I was referring to.

I'm talking about movement between EU states. It tends to be (on the whole) that EU migrants from the poorer countries move to work in the richer ones. It's easy to have no theoretical objection to the idea of potentially millions of Brits coming to work in your country when you know it will never ever happen because the wages are too low and none of them speak your language.

Myself and DH voted out.

The sore losers are calling us all sorts of names; thick, uneducated, stupid, cunts etc - obviously it doesn't bother me as I am non of those things, quite the opposite actually but I guess it says more about them than me

No OP - people need a place to vent their frustrations about this decision. This decision which whether you care to admit it or not WILL have an impact on everyday life - costs, job security, homes, atmospheres in homes of jobs are lost, effects on marriages, effects on lower standards of living on children if jobs are lost. Flimsy thinking to try and oust David Cameron instead of supporting a recovering economy and waiting to elect a different pm. Without pulling away indefinitely from our biggest source of funds to schools, hospitals, science, research, transport, infrastructure

WeekendAway of course you make a good point. Problem is the implications of this decision on everything other than immigration.... And I suspect at the end we ll end up still having one market as other non eu countries do (I think Norway not sure) so everything that leavers voted against might still be very problematic

WeekendAway
Well said.
I have heard everything today flung at 'out' voters - one memorable one was 'knuckle-dragging oiks'
So that the poor Bostonians (76%) told, then.
Good point about Gordon Brown who wanted to flood the country with a client population that would for ever vote Labour.

When you start talking about "sore losers" I know that you really don't understand what this is all about. It's not a game, FFS, it's reality. And we will all be very sore indeed when the consequences hit.

It was always going to be an almost 50/50 split, it was always going to end in half the country feeling very angry.

Ohhh so what 'consequences' are those?

Life will move on. We will adapt and I have hope (without hope, we have nothing) it will be ok.

I have an EU funded job until 2018. I still have hope I will find something else or maybe other money will be in place.

We have to move forwards. Together.

I just said the same on another thread.

It's not like just taking a wee huff.

Well for starters Mum, not only have they backed out of their pledge to spend the money saved from not being in the EU on the NHS, they actively want to charge us as users.

For me, on 12 different daily meds, plus multiple appointments monthly with my consultants' clinics, physio, and respiratory nurse, whilst relying on benefits, with no real prospect of ever being well enough to work, well that's terrifying. I simply can't afford that, simple as. And with their track record of benevolence, I feel pretty justified in my terror of the consequences.

Plus I have a mortgage to pay, bills and food, and a car to run - which is an absolute necessity. Any kind of recession hits people like me hardest of all.