To be disgusted by MN!

[MsJamieFraser]

Some people need to give their head a wobble and honestly grow the fuck up and stop throwing their toys out the pram.

I understand people are upset and even angry the way the referendum went, however that does not give anyone the right to be vile and abusive!

It's completely unacceptable to tell someone they need "opt out of life" because they choose there democratic right not to vote!

I am ashamed to be apart of this forum today!

MN admin shoud be ashamed of themselves, talk guidelines being broken left right and centre and you're no where to be seen!

Grow the fuck up and stop being unpleasant nasty fuckers! I very rarely swear but this place sickens me to the core of my stomach today!

Sorry boopsy, I misunderstood.

I don't want leavers to feel guilty. That would be pointless. Now this is the path they have chosen, I want it to be the right one.
Unfortunately, nothing a leaver has said from 'we've been through worse,' or 'lets make britain great' again has convinced me it is the right one.
The lack of understanding of the consequences of the exit so many have displayed has just made me feel worse and worse.

I really, really hope that Floppity was banned for that.

[Message from MNHQ - just to let everyone know, Floppity did in fact get in touch within seconds of posting to apologise profusely and ask if we could take her post down. She'd posted in the heat of the moment and was extremely ashamed of what she'd said. She's asked if we can deregister her account.]

Yet a leave voter called people cunts earlier and that was left. And I don't agree with floppity obviously

Well it's all awful (and we should be reporting all personal abuse because MN is collectively making such a show of itself) but I can't remember the last time I saw a racial slur like that on MN fanjo

Unfortunately, nothing a leaver has said from 'we've been through worse,' or 'lets make britain great' again has convinced me it is the right one.
The lack of understanding of the consequences of the exit so many have displayed has just made me feel worse and worse.

I voted leave.

I am educated and informed.
I have lived all over Europe and the wider world.
I work for a European country.
The reasons I've voted leave are many.
Immigration- I want it, I value it and welcome it but I want it controlled.
Financial- not wanting to inevitably being forced to change to the euro. It is dragging down our economy.
bureaucracy- the fat cats in Europe are dining out on your money and the double standards are mind blowing.
We can grow trade globally independently.
There are many other informed reasons and thousands of examples that would provide weight to my opinion.
The friends who I know that voted out are all educated, informed business owners and career minded financial types.
The reason leavers are not putting forward what others 'perceive' to be legitimate concerns is because there is an inevitable feeding frenzy of personal attacks.
I have read outrageous statements that are being discussed as fact when they are intact untrue.

Who has got the time it would take to defend, justify and explain when the response from many is so personal and nasty?

Yes I agree that's awful just5.

But I think Leave voters are now being just as bad, and worse as they feel righteously annoyed. Have been called all sorts while not once resorting to personal abuse.

UptheAnty You're a very good example of people who claim to be informed about leaving, and then give a list of reasons that turn out to be uniformed and horrifyingly naive.

Yes I agree that's awful just5.

But I think Leave voters are now being just as bad, and worse as they feel righteously annoyed.

I hadn't even absorbed which side of the barricade that was from TBH, I was just shocked.

I'm not reporting down partisan lines either, I'm just reporting. Both sides of personal abusers need their heads knocked together.

UptheAnty, you've just joined the list of the leavers who imagine that because they are er, educated, they can divorce their vote from the ignorant and racist.

Who has got the time it would take to defend, justify and explain when the response from many is so personal and nasty?

If you think you are so justified, get on with it, why don't you?

UptheAnty You're a very good example of people who claim to be informed about leaving, and then give a list of reasons that turn out to be uniformed and horrifyingly naive.**

That is your opinion. My opinion in a democracy is just as valid as yours and is based upon my interpretation of the facts.
The remain campaigns view (in my opinion) has been upon a highly risk averse view of the economic predictions.
I've chosen to take a more optimistic view of the UKs potential.

*echt

We will get on with it in our parliamentary democracy our MPs will take the will of the British people and the views of all and negotiate the best exit deal for the UK.
Echt waar?

Apologies for the repeated bold fail!

Immigration is/was controlled. We don't exactly have open borders. Instead we now have to rely on France continuing to control it from there end with no incentive to do so.

We weren't being forced to adopt the Euro. That's nonsense.

Bureaucracy, could say exactly the same about our politicians. Another non argument.

Trade, yep they're all beating a path to our door. In fact, the opposite. Germany has already basically told us to FTFO PDQ.

So an outstanding success

People are scared and angry because nobody seriously saw this coming. Instead of a government moderated by the EU, we have now handed over the reins to a Tory government that can basically do as it pleases. And you wonder why we are scared? As someone who is sick enough to need a blue badge, and relies on benefits, I'm fucking terrified.

There was great anger after the last election, when the result was also a shock.

However, there is normally a "honeymoon" period, when nothing much changes, but we all get used to the new situation.

In this case, some people have already suffered, e.g. lost house sales or jobs. Most changes of government don't cause such immediate and large changes.
This situation is permanent. Those who feel it was a dreadful mistake can't reverse it in 5 years at the next election.

The Brexit vote was because of the fury of people who have lost out for years and been ignored;
the anger now is because of people who expect they, or the country as a whole, will lose out for several future years, but are seeing others celebrating.
In both cases, a failure of empathy to recognise the pain of the other.

On another thread about lost jobs, some of those who have suffered in the past were gloating because others now share the misery
Gloating Tories after the last election / gloating Brexiters after this, saying "we won, get over it" shouldn't be surprised at the anger from people who expect their lives will worsen for years.

It is infuriating that we see anger against the boomers / the "spoilt" young / immigrants / those on benefits - when most problems stem from the huge inequality in the UK, far worse than in other major EU countries.

The 0.1 % are so good at setting us against each other, while they organise the transfer of power from one Bullingdon Old Etonian to another.
Many of us are worried who the next scapegoat will be if Brexit causes prolonged austerity and unemployment, not just a few months painful turmoil.

Well that doesn't convince me but I do applaud any leaver who can make an argument other than blurt out: 'Britain will be great, it will all be alright' or 'our leaders will take care of it all'

Grow the fuck up and stop being unpleasant nasty fuckers!

Or maybe it is you that needs to "grow the fuck up and stop throwing your toys out the pram".

Hilarious.

The Brexit vote came mostly from the older generation, the generation that benefitted most from our inclusion in the EU, the generation that will suffer the least from our exit from it. The generation who has the least internet access, and (I'm clinging onto this hope) voted in ignorance because they were unable to access all the information that is at the fingertips of younger generations, and instead relied on what they read in the leaflets and papers, and heard on tv. In other words, propaganda.

I find it heartbreaking- still can't bring myself to phone my dad.

For a site that goes on about 'ageism' I've never seen so many ageist posts in my life.
Honestly, some remainers would happily ban the over 60's from voting at all.
Typical though.

i think you're confusing ageism with discussing that the majority of Brexit voters were over 60.

Are we forbidden to discuss it?

Surfer it's an unarguable fact that the majority of Brexit voters were older people. I'm not going to hide that fact because you find it unpalatable.

flowers for everyone who has been on the receiving end of aggressive behaviour over the last day.

You mean the people with brown skins who have been told "haven't you fucked off already" in the street?

Stratters

Immigration is/was controlled. We don't exactly have open borders. Instead we now have to rely on France continuing to control it from there end with no incentive to do so.

The agreement is bilateral and our EU membership legally irrelevant but you're right that the French might be disincentivised and tear it up in petulance. However, I believe that tit for tat will be avoided once emotions subside.

We weren't being forced to adopt the Euro. That's nonsense.

It's not nonsense as it is the stated intent of the EU for all members to be in the Euro. Our opt out was unsustainable in the long-term.

Bureaucracy, could say exactly the same about our politicians. Another non argument.

Our form of government and its bureaucracy is incompatible with that of the EU and at least has a semblance of accountability

Trade, yep they're all beating a path to our door. In fact, the opposite. Germany has already basically told us to FTFO PDQ.

There are a lot of emotional responses but the Germans et al want and need to do business with us, as we do with them. The largest car export market in the world for the German car industry = UK.

People are scared and angry because nobody seriously saw this coming. Instead of a government moderated by the EU, we have now handed over the reins to a Tory government that can basically do as it pleases. And you wonder why we are scared? As someone who is sick enough to need a blue badge, and relies on benefits, I'm fucking terrified.

I would not disavow your fears, they are yours and valid. However, the recession that we found ourselves in was significantly exacerbated by the EU and the Euro zone. I also don't believe that our Parliamentary democracy, the oldest in the World, requires moderation by a hegemonic institution based in Brussels.

The 'I hope the working class suffer' thread was still going when I went to bed last night at 11 pm ish. I couldn't believe my eyes tbh.