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I want people to tell me why they voted #leave

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AliceScarlett · 24/06/2016 05:12

I'm feeling pretty shocked and scared right now.

Why did you vote for brexit?

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Ouriana · 24/06/2016 17:10

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ManonLescaut · 24/06/2016 17:12

Meanwhile we in the UK were having a smaller and smaller voice in the EU

Erm - so now we have none? How is that an improvement?

ManonLescaut · 24/06/2016 17:13

The relationship was not working and as compromise was not on the cards I filed for divorce (and decided it was worth putting up with short term instability

It's not short term instability, it's long term economic & political decline.

user7755 · 24/06/2016 17:15

Ouriana

So the issue is with the employment practices of the UK based employers?

time4chocolate · 24/06/2016 17:17

No worries Goudy.

TulipsInAJug · 24/06/2016 17:21

Why arent British workers getting the jobs; because then you have to give them contracts. Sick pay, holiday, pensions, maternity. The immigrant workers should also be getting these rights, but arent and are not fighting for them. In many cases theyre desperate and will take what work they can get.

Which is why people in Labour constituencies voted Leave - they realised that ultimately the EU has NOT brought a workers' utopia. And with more money - including UK money - being channelled into eastern, very poor European nations, it didn't look like EU membership was going to do anything for deprived UK communities in the future. EU membership hasn't done much for young unemployed in Greece or Spain.

The British electorate ignored tons of experts telling them to Remain or else Project Fear would materialise. They ignored them because they could see the experts were not speaking for them; they could see that the experts represented the powerful, those doing well out of the EU, those who had vested interests in it.

The EU is remote, opaque, unaccountable, and has not served the working people of the UK.

BaboonBottom · 24/06/2016 17:26

iloveowls
the same thing happens around here, you cannot compete on wages with someone who shares a 4 bed house with 8 people so one in one out (night shift and day workers). Its not healthy, its not sustainable and its not a way of life to be encouraged. How can our children enter the job market and compete with that? I don't want my children to think thats acceptable, right or normal.

BaboonBottom · 24/06/2016 17:31

Sorry i put the wrong name it was Newlife not Iloveowls sorry!

TulipsInAJug · 24/06/2016 17:32

Erm - so now we have none? How is that an improvement?

It's an improvement because we're not shackled into something we have no control over. It's an improvement for democracy.

user7755 · 24/06/2016 17:35

Which makes far more sense and offers a far more compelling argument than foreigners coming over here stealing our jobs - which is the loudest voices of the Brexit campaign by far. It is this which scares the living shit out of me - the fact that there is so much blame on a group of people for the woes of the country. Then 52% of the voters support a campaign which has had this strategy as it's main driver - very, very frightening.

Had the voice of reason been clearer on both sides I think the fallout today would have been less bitter, the reason that people are being accused of racism etc is because this message has been the one pedalled out most frequently.

The issue isn't the people who have travelled here, it's the dishonest crooks who take advantage, but sadly no one looks at them.

But I am concerned about the withdrawal of EU financial support for some of the most deprived areas of the UK, especially given that the electorate there seem to have been told that those subsidies will continue, courtesy of the UK (perhaps the same money that was going to go directly to the NHS but now isn't)

user7755 · 24/06/2016 17:38

We have no control over anything anymore though. We could at least influence thinking in the EU through membership, even if we couldn't control it (a bit like a democracy!), now we have no influence at all and have set ourselves totally outside it. We will continue to feel the ripples but without the opportunity to shape them.

Ouriana · 24/06/2016 17:38

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ManonLescaut · 24/06/2016 17:42

It's an improvement because we're not shackled into something we have no control over. It's an improvement for democracy

We were in an organisation within which we had considerable say. Now we are outside an organisation over which we have no control. In world government and democracy we have lost power and status, not gained.

We were the springboard to Europe politically & economically for the US and the rest of the world, now we are irrelevant.

The upshot is that events in the Western world will now be decided between the US and the EU - specifically France and Germany.

buffalogrumble · 24/06/2016 17:43

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 24/06/2016 17:46

How can you have 'none of the above' when it's a binary choice between staying in or going out? I guess my cat would be the exception to that, but I don't see how it could apply to a real grown up human election.

twittwooery · 24/06/2016 17:50

I think a lot of voters (putting immigration aside) heard that 350milliom was going to the EU a week, but never really considered what benefits we got for that money

user7755 · 24/06/2016 17:51

But the remain campaign told people they were going to lose the rights they never had and talked endlessly about immigration and why Farage was a twat instead of adressing the issues.

I disagree with that, I never saw any of that - in fact my biggest criticism of the remain campaign is that I saw nothing of it. Everything I found out, I did through my own research. Farage is a twat - there's no denying that, but I don't know anyone who voted remain because of the argument that you have presented. For every one of them, it was about stability and safety for their children and the benefits of being part of a larger community (shared knowledge, resources, responsibility, culture etc).

The constant posts on FB from leave campaigners which were actually Britain First or British and Proud memes didn't really help. But the only 'real' argument I saw from the leave camp (discounting them) was that we ought to take control back and make Britain great again. Not that this is a real argument either, which is why I wanted to hear a proper version of things.

I'm still disappointed and very worried about the future, but I'm less angry than I was, having read some of the posts on here.

ManonLescaut · 24/06/2016 17:55

I hope that people can move on from the accusations and judgements and the politicians can mend their differences and make Brexit work

It isn't going to work. We are all going to suffer the appalling political and economic consequences - of which many of the leave voters appear to have been ignorant - for a generation at least. Until such time as we can renogotiate with the EU.

In the mean time we will get used to higher unemployment, interest rates, loss of business, and investment, higher prices on imported goods, further squeeze on public services including education and health.

But that will always be the fault of the Brexiteers. No-one will forget that.

buffalogrumble · 24/06/2016 17:58

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Ouriana · 24/06/2016 18:01

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user7755 · 24/06/2016 18:08

Ouriana - absolutely!

monkeysox · 24/06/2016 18:09

Can't afford to live. Teesside has the highest immigration levels in the country. Mostly refugees. Because of cheap housing.
Because of this many locals voted out thinking it would alter this. Hmm

KissMyArse · 24/06/2016 18:16

Helmetbymidnight Fri 24-Jun-16 16:36:20

metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-leave-says-he-thought-his-vote-wouldnt-count-wins-moron-of-the-year-award-5964450/

I thought this was satire at first.

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That is incredibly sad and yes, he's a moron.

Equally moronic are the people who supported Remain but didn't bother to vote as they assumed Remain would win anyway.

Grassgreendashhabi · 24/06/2016 18:17

I'm loving the way that remainers seem to think the country was wonderful and had no problems,

Why would anything of changed staying in EU