I want people to tell me why they voted #leave

[AliceScarlett]

I'm feeling pretty shocked and scared right now.

Why did you vote for brexit?

Judy that's a very well written article, I couldn't agree more.

Yes, good article.

Exit-fantasists - good term.

I live in a rural middle class area but I've seen directly that the farm-hand jobs are largely going to Eastern European workers. Thank god this doesn't affect me but this is a tangible change in our community and I see it. No idea whether it's because you can pay Eastern Europeans as little as possible or what. But I do know that locals who have been in this area for donkeys cannot get jobs game-keeping, tending to grounds, being a farm hand etc. That way of life is over for them.

the EU is NOT to blame for this!

The vast majority of "immigrants to this country are educated and skilled workers who win the job on merit. For example doctors.

The unskilled work that goes to "Johnny Foreigner" may in part be given to them because they will work for less - but also because they work harder, show up on time and do not have their trousers hanging around their arse with an insolent sneer on their face.

if those farm workers miraculously disappeared off on a boat tomorrow, what do you think would happen?

You think they would ALL be filled by Brits willing to do the same work for the same pay? NO. They won't. They will be filled, maybe, or potentially not, but certainly for higher wages. Which the farm has to pay. So now they can no longer make a profit on their lamb so the supermarket will no longer want to buy it off them so the farm goes bankrupt, no one has a job and it's just one more fuck up.

It is just not that simple to blame our economic and employment problems on the EU. This is a British problem, not a European problem.

I am not saying I have the answer - it is a very complex issue that I am sure if someone could resolve overnight they would - but the fact remain these immigrants do not affect our way of life in the way you are led to believe by the Daily Mail.

They largely contribute to our society, they do jobs we don't want, they pay taxes, they come in educated and able to work as doctors and nurses and bricklayers and everything else but the free economy MEANS supply and demand, and while cheap labour is shit it also encourages businesses to operate. Trying to measure that is extremely difficult. The finest economic minds cannot do it.

The Leavers have been very complacent about the terms we'll be able to negotiate with the EU. Thinking we could leave the worst parts and keep the best bits of involvement with Europe was always ridiculous optimism and rather egotistical of us.

And now we'll lose Scotland and in all probability any semblance of peace in Norther Ireland. England and Wales haven't just sold out the disenfranchised and homeless in the world, they've sold out large portions of the UK as well.

Appeals and feet stamping for another vote, calling the ones who voted leave uneducated racists, less importance on your vote if youre going to be dead soon anyway, IQ tests to prove eligibility to vote.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them eh?

And as a pig-fucker. Very mature

This thread is amazing! 26 pages that largely seems to be people saying "I'm not racist but I'm totally happy to ally myself with racists to get what I want"

I actually want the country to go down the toilet now just so you all get exactly what you so richly deserve.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them eh?"

Well.. could people either

1. post xenophobic shite all over my FB, then announce they're voting Leave

or

2. complain when people suggest their Leave vote might be based on xenophobia

but doing both is a bit having your cake and eating it.

A really telling comment I heard on the tv the other evening. I think it was the boss of a building company who was encouraging folk to vote Remain. One of his arguments was that if he couldn't use skilled Polish builders he would have to train British people to become brickies etc.

Immigration ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE because we've left the EU.

BTW if you're ever reading about the many other times that Europe descended into hell (eg WW1, WW2) and you wonder 'How on earth did it get so bad?' just look around you. This is how it starts.

A really telling comment I heard on the tv the other evening. I think it was the boss of a building company who was encouraging folk to vote Remain. One of his arguments was that if he couldn't use skilled Polish builders he would have to train British people to become brickies etc.

its ok when the economy bombs he won't need any builders as the trade dries up.

Yes, because you should coose what you vote for based on what other's are voting. Mrs T down the road's a bit of a bitch, don't want to be associated with her, perhaps I should have found out how she's going to vote and vote the opposite so I'm not associated in any way

Well yeah, a good chunk of the campaigning of the leave campaign was based on rampant xenophobia, you knew what sort of people you were siding with and still chose to do it. Nice work

As a historian I couldn't, in conscience, vote to remain in a fundamentally undemocratic, corrupt, bureaucracy increasingly impinging on our political and legal sovereignty, that is controlled by big business and bankers

But as a 'historian', you surely can't be so naive not to grasp the fact that the business and finance sectors' increasing hold on political, economic and legal issues is global phenomenon and is not one whit affected by membership of the EU?

The vote changes nothing on that front, but we now don't have support of EU to provide a bulwark against big business interests. Nor do we now have any say now in EU financial policies.

Remainers are the racist ones.
Sorry you might have to look at a few brown faces now your attempt to whitewash the UK with mainly EU immigrants is fucked.

^ Not word for word, but a genuine argument I've seen. The EU disadvantages non-EU immigrants, therefore remain is racist.

The problem for me is that Brexiteers stomp about complaining that they've been accused of being thick and that their reasons for leaving are actually considered. They then proceed to come out with reasons of the most staggering naivety and downright ignorance.

I swayed between the two, as a green supporter I was angry with the build more houses/ schools/ roads answer for EU workers. It would be much better for the EU to ensure employment in countries so people do not move from one industrialised area to another needing further industrialising to accommodate. There treatment of Greece has been awful so that is never going to happen. Corbyn was definitely a sleeper agent with his solution of more reforms to an institute who rebel at the idea of even talking about reform.

I voted to Leave, because I believe that fundamentally the EU wishes to become a single federal state, with one government, one Parliament and one army. I saw this as our only chance to remain an independent, sovereign state.

So, when those annoying EU workers supposedly leave Bluebolt, who's going to do their jobs?

Sunnymeg, if such a thing happen, which it won't, but let's say it did, do you think it's a good idea for Britain to be a stand alone state living right next to an enormous state that has ten times its economic and military power?

I'm a Remainer and quite frankly I'm fed up of all this talk of racism. Racists vote in all elections. As do people who choose their vote seconds before. As do people who do their homework. We just need to get our heads down and make the best of it now. But woe betide any Leaver who whinges in my earshot about the repercussions of this vote.