or is anyone else feeling unsettled and just want today to be over

[Gowgirl]

Yes I have voted, but I am sick and tired of the unrest, I'm aware there has been a lot of discontent for a long time but its now feeling toxic and I want it to be over one way or the other.

Sorry, didn't RTFT and probably cross-posted with lots of people!

Don't Knows are more likely to vote Remain

They are also likely to spoil the ballot paper or not vote.

I know quite a few today who have spoilt the paper.

I am feeling sad that the remainers will win and we will be stuck with a sinking Europe in country that is stretched beyond its ability to cope. I hope we wake up to a free country tomorrow but bookies have odds against us ;(

I am worried about the people who won't talk about voting Leave but will do it, just like the shy Tories of the last GE.

Tbh if someone calls you racist or xenophobic for no other reason than voting a different way to them then yes there will be an element of that.

Fist bump of solidarity and for all the referendum-ravaged Scots on this thread.

Agree with everything in your post varvara, especially your second-last paragraph. I think the binary choice offered (albeit out of necessity) doesn't reflect many people's very nuanced thoughts about this - certainly not mine.

Latin I know, I don't know how she said it with a straight face I really don't. I don't agree with the SNP in general, but I had some respect for NS - the girl done good. Not any more. Just see her as A N Y Other Hypocrite now.

The80's Yes, the SNP still aim to hold another IndyRef regardless of tomorrow - 'when they consider the people give them a mandate'
I did wonder this morning if some SNP supporters might vote Brexit strategically to help another IndyRef along sooner rather than later???

varvara your list is comprehensive, and I agree with every bit of it.
When I went to vote today I thought, here we bloody go again, another HUGE decision, another bitter taste after Politicians of all colours treated us like idiots throughout their campaigns, more unrest stirred up, another significant chunk of the population will be dissatisfied with the result (and yes, there will be moaning and challenging before everyone accepts the result, unless you are called Nicola Sturgeon of course).

I'd definatly vote for you in your Anti-Referendum Party!

I agonised (a crazy amount, considering how tiny my vote really is) over how to vote. I spoke to people about it, and I did get accusations of racism levelled at me simply because I was even considering 'leave'. While it wasn't pleasant, I saw it as a valid questioning of my motives by decent people whose hearts were in the right place, trying to ensure that a hideous kind of prejudice wasn't taking hold. When I explained my concerns about corporatist capitalism, they generally understood that I wasn't doing it for racist reasons.

If you announce that you are considering associating yourself with a campaign that does indubitably have some racist elements in it, then you should be able to justify your decision. I did, and I'd expect others to be able to do the same. If you're ashamed of your reasoning, or you can't justify your vote in terms that most people wouldn't consider racist, maybe you should reconsider. It's healthy to be forced to back something up.

Littlemisslovesspiders - spoiling the ballot paper or not voting is so pointless and is irrelevant in this discussion as there isn't an option for no one to win!
OK - so if EVERYONE refused to vote or spoilt their ballot paper then there would be a crisis, but that isn't going to happen.
I don't understand why people bother to spoil their ballot paper. I guess it makes them feel like they've 'protested' but it doesn't achieve anything.

Like a friend of mine who was seriously hacked off the quality of her A level teaching so when she took the exam spent two hours writing an essay slagging off the school and the teacher. She got a 'U', nothing happened or was said and she scuppered her chances of a Uni place.... pretty silly really.

oh i've heard some snp folks say they were tempted to vote brexit for exactly the indyref reasons stated. I hate referendums - it's a bad sign that the existing political parties have fragemented bases, it's not only a tory issue, if it was only the rump of the tory party voting leave, it wouldn't have the legs it has.

Indyref was miles more traumatic! Not downplaying the importance of this referendum but I feel significantly less stressed now than I did waiting for the results of that. I could live with either result tomorrow without getting too upset but Scottish independence would have been a disaster for my family.

I am so worried that if there is a Remain majority, Brexiters will remain (sorry) bitter and become increasingly openly hostile to Europeans living and working in Britain. Am I just unnecessarily anxious or is his a very real possibility? Anyone else worried about this?

I voted Brexit. I am not hostile to Europeans living here. they have taken advantage of an opportunity to improve their lives. The decision to make that possible was the governments and EU . Voting leave to me is about independence and making sure we can support the current population.

By the way, one of my closest friend came here from Poland with her husband and have made a life for themselves. They want Brexit. please don't assume and stereotype those that vote or are in favour of leave.

I think re SNP voting Brexit - Nicola had to explain on TV that it wouldn't work (unless they live and are registered to vote in England, presumably) as, after the result, they will be able to cut the vote by region, so if for example, UK voted as a whole to leave, but in Scotland, the vote was to stay, then that would trigger an Indyref. The more Scots vote to leave, the more the Scottish result will mirror the UK result as a whole (if it were to go leave). It made me smile that she had to spell it out.

I agree shovetheholley , but part of the reason I voted remain was not to align myself with the (subset of) bigots, and I wonder if that now makes me a moral coward?!

DailyMail agree about Nicola. I still do admire her on many levels, her success and her strength and her conviction, even some of her politics. But I can't square this with what-seems-like blinkered nationalism.

Anyhow, I'll shut up now about Scotland!

But - and forgive me if I'm wrong - if we want to stop / control immigration from EU countries, then the economic model that we have to adopt will have to be NOT having a free trade agreement with Europe either.

Switzerland and Norway have a free trade agreement with the EU, and my understanding is that incorporates an element of free movement of people as well - any economic arrangement of this type that we came to would almost certainly have the same proviso.

Choosing to control our immigration entirely would significantly impact on the trade terms we could negotiate with the remaining EU countries, and would end up being on very much worse terms if we don't have the same type of free trade agreement that Norway and Switzerland do.

Immigrants who vote for Brexit really irritate me. Talk about pulling the ladder up after yourself.

Thank you for the Latin!

I think the binary choice offered (albeit out of necessity) doesn't reflect many people's very nuanced thoughts about this - certainly not mine.

I agree with this x 100. That's why I think referendums are such ghastly things. My experiences during the indyref campaign and its aftermath - ie being told I was selfish and immoral simply for exercising my democratic right and answering a question on a ballot paper - have given me a more nuanced view of politics than I previously held, so I would never judge somebody else according to how they voted in this referendum. I envy anyone who found it an easy and obvious decision to make - I've found it to be hugely complex and have been quite conflicted about it.

DailyMail and Munch maybe I'm being daft, but I don't understand SNP people voting for Brexit in order to secure Indyref2; surely they would have to live in England for that to work??

We've had senior SNP people advising Scots on how to vote in order to maximize prospect of Indyref2 - you couldn't make it up.

That comment sqoosh is up there with some of the drivel I've seen spouted by elsa salubrious brexiters!

Who's elsa?

For those in need of a laugh, the #Keithsmum hashtag is brilliant right about now.

storify.com/Thevoiceofboo/keith-s-mum

Oh and Latin - if it makes you a bigot, it makes me one too, because I did the same and for the same reason.

Immigrants who vote for Brexit really irritate me. Talk about pulling the ladder up after yourself.

WTF? Can't immigrants care about things like TTIP then?
I personally think that if we leave we'll end up with something similar to but worse than TTIP, but it's a valid concern amongst lots of people voting leave

We really need to stop shooting down each others perspective!

I've heard plenty of immigrants saying they're voting Leave because of immigration. As an immigrant myself, that mindset does irritate me.

Also, can an expression of irritation be described as shooting people down?

Not a bigot, a moral coward! What am I talking about.

Immigrants who vote for Brexit really irritate me. Talk about pulling the ladder up after yourself.

Wow! How patronising. in this particular case, my Polish friends have seen for themselves the strain on the UK economy for services and realise the infrastructure just isn't there. They wouldn't want this for their own country.

I think both sides have more in common than we've been allowed to acknowledge

Pretty much everyone wants to avoid war, some think we can best achieve that in the EU, some out
Pretty much everyone is against selling off our services, some thing that's more likely in, others out
Pretty much everyone is concerned about economic stability (including housing, employment, and education which allows some social mobility) - some think we need to be out to preserve these values, others think we need to stay in

We're all trying to strive for the same goals, we just disagree on the method