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to still have no clue which way to vote on Thursday?

172 replies

DowntonIsMyHome · 20/06/2016 23:37

I've looked at the BBC referendum check thing to try to get through the spin but it hasn't helped much

I'm a single parent at uni doing a post grad that will end next year, then I will qualify. I have a council house and barely made ends meet before quitting work to do the course

not sure if any of that means I should lean towards in or out but my whole family are 'out', citing life as 'better' before the EU and immigration as their reasons (I don't have the same view re immigration as they do, though)

argh.... the deadline is hurtling towards me and I ain't got a clue!

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Fozzleyplum · 21/06/2016 21:55

Millymolly sums it up for me. Add TTIP to that (here) and I'm out.

Lindy2 · 21/06/2016 22:32

I've read through the replies on this thread and I've changed my vote at least 15 times whilst reading it.
Generally I have quite strong views and this uncertainty, lack of proper facts etc etc is making this impossible for me.
I think the EU has grown too big and has too many inequalities. One of the pamphlets through my door said when we first joined there were just 9 members and the focus was trade. The EU now bears no relation to that and I don't like how it is at all. If the vote was to join for the very first time in the form it is now I don't think many would want to opt in.
However, voting out quite scarey to me. I wish there were more facts such as what future trade deals would be. It's all just guesswork. Why didn't anyone plan better to deliver some real pre planned facts!
What I would really like is to be an EU member of a much better EU. I'd like a strong uk leader who will stand up for the UK and ensure we get that and refuse to take part in all if the rubbish they try to force on others. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be an option.
I still just don't know what to do.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 21/06/2016 22:37

If all else fails base it on your belly button Smile

Oly5 · 21/06/2016 22:42

Oh god. Please vote remain

Salene · 21/06/2016 22:50

Are you happy with the way things are .??

If so vote in

If not and you want charge vote out.

honeyroar · 21/06/2016 23:00

Margewith the blue hair sums up my dithering, and I think I agree with her, I'm most likely to vote remain.

I think the EU will crash in the future anyway.

Limer · 21/06/2016 23:07

honeyroar you're right that the EU will crash in the future. So vote Leave to distance ourselves ASAP from that disaster.

catbasilio · 21/06/2016 23:07

This>>> I'm pretty sure that part of the Brexit deal is still to have freedom of travel within EU. Immigration is not the problem. We have a problem with people coming to the uk illegally... This has nothing to do with being park of the EU.

Hodooooooooor · 21/06/2016 23:18

Lookit, do you want to be on the same side as every economic expert, every sane politician, all the scientists, the whole of Europe, the UN, the WHO, the OECD, the IMf, all the rich people and the heads of industry etc etc,

OR

do you want to be on the same side as Donald Trump, Boris, Putin and Farage, and Joan Collins and Michael Caine?

If Britain is so stupid as to vote leave, Europe doesn't want you anyway. It would be the biggest Dick Move in modern history.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 21/06/2016 23:20

all the rich people

I think you'll find that inaccurate

Salene · 21/06/2016 23:20

Untill other counties start following suit and pulling out of the EU

Hodooooooooor · 21/06/2016 23:21

all the sane rich people. Plenty of stupid rich people, but the mess after Brexit wouldn't affect them anyway, with their money in the Caymans anyway.

CoolforKittyCats · 21/06/2016 23:23

Plenty of stupid rich people

People aren't stupid just because they don't agree with you.

It's petty.

Hodooooooooor · 21/06/2016 23:27

No, they are stupid for so many other reasons. Many of them not at all petty.

ButterflyBush · 21/06/2016 23:39

Delurking in order to post a link to a good article in the Economist:

www.economist.com/news/leaders/21700637-vote-leave-european-union-would-diminish-both-britain-and-europe-divided-we-fall

I have not heard any concrete, logical or reasonable argument for leaving the EU - the only thing we can be reasonably sure of is that leaving will leave us financially and politically much weaker - certainly short term, and possibly longer term. If we want to carry on trading within the EU post-Brexit we will still have to pay almost as much as we do now to the EU, and still follow EU regulations, but with no seat at the table (and no extra cash for the NHS).

Leaving the EU both depresses and worries me hugely.....it could potentially mark the beginning of the end of the UK if this sparks another Scottish independence referendum. We will be adrift and weak in a world which feels increasingly unsafe.

Please vote to stay.

Hirosleaftunnel · 22/06/2016 07:19

I don't think we can trust our government to rule alone. Not when you consider all the atrocities they've gotten away with under EU law. What will they do without it?

er what? My dad was a kid when Europe was at war with itself and millions of people were dying. Not to mention the more recent facist regimes in Spain and Portugal. Ignorant comments like this make my brain hurt. Confused

OohMavis · 22/06/2016 07:22

I'm not sure what your point is. Because things were awful years ago, and because there are fascist regimes all over the world, our government couldn't possibly shit all over us?

OrangesandLemonsNow · 22/06/2016 07:23

ButterflyBush

Sounds like a party political broadcast. Especially from a new poster.

sashh · 22/06/2016 07:52

I'm old enough to remember not being able to bring much back from holiday, I think it was 1 or 2 litres of spirits.

Also most if not all our equality legislation comes from the EU. The sex discrimination act was a condition of joining, it gave women doing the exact same job as men the same pay. It is the EU that has made the law stronger, making workers who work shorter hours have the same hourly rate, workers who do work 'of equal value' have the same rate thanks to the EU.

I also feel I have more in common with people living in mainland Europe than with David Cameron and his cronies.

I like the idea that if I need medical treatment I can get it abroad, it's only a small thing but has allowed families where someone is on dialysis to travel and receive the dialysis in Benidorm or Mallorca.

I have a cousin who had his appendix taken out is France, as it was a visit to friends the family had not taken out insurance, without the EU who knows what his bill would be.

I also think that anyone who experts to the EU will have to comply with EU regulations and surely it is better to be in the 'club' that makes the rules than outside but still having to obey the rules?

Immigration - well yes there are a lot of people from Poland and other 'eastern European' countries, but the majority are paying tax because they are working and are making lives here, their children will be doctors, nurses, road sweepers, whatever i the future.

Compare that with British people in Spain/France, yes some are working and contributing but many are retirees, if they return then they will put more of a drain on the NHS than a Polish woman having a child.

Also the boarders issue. At the moment British immigration is at Calais, leaving the EU may well move it back to Dover this would make it much easier for illegal immigrants to get in to Britain.

There are an estimated 6000 in the jungle near Calais. Does anyone remember Sangatte? 500 people in the channel tunnel in one day?

www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/may/23/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices1

er what? My dad was a kid when Europe was at war with itself and millions of people were dying. Not to mention the more recent facist regimes in Spain and Portugal.

People are dying now, not in their millions, not in camps but disabled people are being killed by the British government, it is the EU that is pushing the government back.

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/27/thousands-died-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bedroom-tax-ruled-discriminatory-by-court-of-appeal-judges-a6836331.html

Hirosleaftunnel · 22/06/2016 07:56

No, it's that fact that people think that the EU 'government' is more trustworthy than the UK government. Trusting the Germans, Spanish, French, Belgians and Italians to collectively make better choices than the UK government. Mind melting.

shazzarooney999 · 22/06/2016 07:57

What made my mind up was ian duncan smith is voting leave,i would do anything opposite of him!

OohMavis · 22/06/2016 07:58

Tell that to the disabled and the poor.

Newenglandinthefall · 22/06/2016 08:11

This isn't just a remain/leave vote. It's a vote between the middle and the right of the Tory party. Vote out and we get possibly the most right wing Tory Government ever. Hardly likely to protect our public services.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 22/06/2016 08:17

This isn't just a remain/leave vote.

It is. It isn't a parliamentary vote.

Walkacrossthesand · 22/06/2016 08:23

Can anyone explain why trading with another country/bloc means signing up to their rules about anything? Surely individual importers/exporters can buy and sell to each other without restrictive trade deals?