to post a reminder that there are loads of left-leaning reasons to vote "out"?

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I think it's very sad that the "out" camp has been largely commandeered by racism and xenophobia. This can leave a very bad taste in the mouth for the liberal left, and I think is making people go to "remain" by default. After all, who wants to vote with Nigel Farage?

But this is actually very strange. The EU is undemocratic and benefits the tax-dodging super-rich. It is developed to suit the needs of enormous corporations and banks. To vote "out" would be a very logical move for people with left-leaning politics.

IMHO we need to be very careful not to vote "in" simply because the other option has been taken over by right-wing shouty men obsessed with immigration.

I've posted a couple of links to reasonable arguments below (but there's loads of stuff out there if you look for it).

www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/left-case-brexit

www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-mp-kate-hoey-why-leaving-the-eu-is-a-left-wing-move-a6687936.html

I'm voting Remain in spite of Cameron. And am very disappointed in Corbyn.
I don't trust for one second the power handed over from Europe to the current bunch of politicians. Also - I work in a research environment, dependent on EU collaboration and grants. Even though Gove promised (pause for hollow laughter) that the funding wouldn't decrease, the point is that the best research is done in collaboration, and that's what these EU grants enable. I also want my children to be able to go to university in Europe, rather than be saddled with an enormous debt. And I'm getting really sick of people banging on about how anyone can just come and live here and we have no control. Yes we do - right now. Anyone from the EU who wants to live here has to show that they have the means to support themselves for three months - they can't just turn up and go on the dole, as people seem to believe. There are quite strict controls.

We already do have our own specially negotiated relationship with Ireland btw. That's to the poster who's looking forward to us being able to forge a relationship with Ireland on our own terms.

As someone said up thread, the 'remain' campaign doesn't speak to the working class. I can't imagine the northern fishermen caring much about Erasmus, big businesses, or offices in London...

And yes, I am from a Northern fishing town myself.

Sally that has been totally debunked, no one is being removed or watched to find work .

Of course we cant control immigration, control is asking " do you have x money in the bank, do you have a job to go too, is it a job we need, are you sure your not robbing a british worker of a job and so on" at the moment the market is flooded with all sorts of low level skilled workers we never needed!

As Steve Hilton said" stop unlimited Hungarian waiters who may be charming but who don't add much to our economy( I am Hungarian I can say that), start welcoming scientists and entrepreneurs from India, china, Russia, who we are forced to exclude because we have to put EU immigration frst, We shold be able to put the British economy first."

Initial right of residence

13.—(1) An EEA national is entitled to reside in the United Kingdom for a period not exceeding three months beginning on the date on which he is admitted to the United Kingdom provided that he holds a valid national identity card or passport issued by an EEA State.
(2) A family member of an EEA national residing in the United Kingdom under paragraph (1) who is not himself an EEA national is entitled to reside in the United Kingdom provided that he holds a valid passport.
(3) But—

(a)

this regulation is subject to regulation 19(3)(b); and
.

(b)

an EEA national or his family member who becomes an unreasonable burden on the social assistance system of the United Kingdom shall cease to have the right to reside under this regulation.

These unlimited Hungarian waiters should be commended, though, for how unobtrusive they manage to be. I haven't come across any, charming or otherwise.

Hungarian waiters don't need to take your order, they already know what you want.

The food just arrives on your table without you noticing how it got there.

🍲🌭🌮🍱

Oh no sorry, that's magic waiters.

The power to eject EU migrants who are a "burden" is NEVER used. That's why we have countless EU migrants begging where I live. You can scream at me all you like that in wrong or this fact is somehow racist.

But in my city, many of the beggars and Big Issue sellers are not originally from the UK. This really gets my goat.

But the power is there Rooners. It is not the EU's fault that our politicians are pussies who refuse to use the perfectly legitimate powers they have.

Same with housing, NHS etc. Why are they struggling

a) because the government are not increasing the funding or providing funding at the necessary rate, or
b) because each surgery is "swamped" by immigrants.

We're blaming the EU for the fact that we have lily-livered utterly incompetent politicians (on all sides) who care about sound bites and their hair and don't bother to use the powers they have.