To think Owen Jones is childish

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Owen Jones storms off sky news

I don't even get what his issue is, he's invited on to discuss the headlines and then runs off as he doesn't like how much attention the biggest story is getting.

So calling people on homophobic language is deletable now?

Very heavy handed with the deletions there HQ.

It wasn't because she called it out. It was because she quoted the slur.

I think the deletions are because once the original slur was deleted, the calling out posts repeated the term (rightly so).

The only way to get rid it of from the thread was to remove all reference.

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I think Owen Jones is a prat, but he was in the right here. He was invited, presumably at short notice, to discuss the shootings at a gay nightclub and clearly to be representative of the gay community. He was then repeatedly told that it wasn't a homophobic attack and was shut down when he tried to bring the point back up.

The message was clearly pre-determined by the producers to be "this is a problem with radical Islam" and so his very valid points about it being driven by homophobia were ignored. I dislike the man, but I think walking off set was probably the wisest if they didn't want his input.

he annoys me but I completely agree with him. This WAS a homophobic attack AND a terrorist attack. The look of disbelief on his face when the presenters didn't seem to recognise that mirrored my own tbh.

We should be upset for the victims, their families and the people that witnessed the terrible terrorist atrocity be it those in the club or the emergency services not for Owen Jones and his liberal top trumps.

I agree. I am no fan of Owen Jones, but the other two desperately trying to distance the idea of it being a homophobic attack was one of the most extraordinary things I've seen for some time.

OneFlew said "He was invited, presumably at short notice, to discuss the shootings at a gay nightclub and clearly to be representative of the gay community."

No, he was invited onto a programme that takes place every night on Sky News to discuss tomorrow's newspaper stories and headlines. It was not specifically a debate on the issue itself. Longhurst - like or loathe him - was taking his lead from the newspaper headlines. The one being shown and discussed when Jones walked off was from the Telegraph and specifically quote ISIL wanting to attack gays as part of its war on everything it hates about the west.

He was going his job. Jones decided not to do his.

Man with weapons arrested on the way to LA Pride

If he had got through would that have been an attack on people having fun too? What do you have to do to get labelled a homophobe these days?

YABU. The symbolic annihalation of gay people by news media is horrendous and it's about time someone called bullshit.

morris, you're being completely illogical.

I don't want to be arrested for being raped, or thrown off a building, or executed by the state. Nor, however, do I want to risk going to a nightclub and being shot to death.

The fact that the first possibilities are horrific doesn't mean the last one is irrelevant.

The fact that the attack was in part homophobically motivated shouldn't have been minimised. However I think OJ was wrong in saying that if a synagogue had been attacked people wouldn't have denied that it was an anti semitic act. Of course they would have. You only have to look at how the targeting of the Hyper Cacher supermarket in Paris as an anti semitic act was largely ignored in favour of lionising the Charlie Hebdo journalists and casting the attacks as an attack on free speech. Rather than, say, being Jewish while shopping.

Or like the Ecole Polytechnique massacre. People have continued to deny it was motivated by misogyny when the killer separated out women from men, killed only women, blamed it all on feminists in his suicide note, and had a list of further women he intended to kill in his pocket.

As i think an earlier poster said if it wasn't under such tragic circumstances it would be extremely satisfying to see OJ getting a taste of erasure.

More on this from OJ

I am not a fan of Owen Jones. He was right here. It was an attack on lesbian and gay people. Attempts to deny that are shocking. It was not an attack on partying. If it was the shooter would have targeted any nightclub.

Its pretty obvious is a homophobic attack, what more could have the presenters said? OJ attitude was hardly open and encouraging debate.

But its not an isolated attack in the name of this terror group is it. I suppose posters agree the debate should be slimmed down to only the anti gay stance? And not take in the wider issue here?

Speaking as a lesbian, GBTs might be Owen Jones's people but we're not. He's shown himself to be a lesbophobic misogynist.

Terrorist attacks can happen anywhere, any time. They could happen in my UK city in the next five minutes. They come without warning or reason.

That isn't comparable to risk from your own government and fellow citizens acting lawfully.

Ego compared the bathroom laws with life in the Middle East. There is no logical comparison.

Do you understand what 'comparison' means, morris?

Oh, come on Bertrand!

OJ on Twitter says "it's not about me" but then goes and writes a piece mostly about the furore over him storming off in which he again says "it's not about me" so let me just use last night as a "case study".

No, not about you at all, or about you using this as your own platform again, OJ, you misogynist opportunist.

Thanks for that Link Bertrand, I notice how he refers to the Admiral Duncan pub bombing, that took place some years ago, a nasty and isolated attack on the gay community.

However Isis have killed over 10, 000 people since the caliphate was formed in Iraq and Syria, that is not a figure that includes fighting in the war.

"The terror group has released hundreds - if not thousands - of propaganda images and videos which show people being killed for homosexuality, blasphemy, banditry, murder, abandonment and spying"

I just find it extraordinary he barely refers to ISIS at all and even just uses the word terrorist.

Yes I do understand what comparison means. Ego said the two 'weren't so different'.

Logic and reality show that the two are extremely different.

Maybe the deliberate - targeted mass killing of Gays in the caliphate doesn't upset him as much?

But, in some respects, they are not so different, which was her point.

She's not saying they are identical in every respect, as you seem to imagine.