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To think Owen Jones is childish

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sandrabedminster · 13/06/2016 08:54

Owen Jones storms off sky news

I don't even get what his issue is, he's invited on to discuss the headlines and then runs off as he doesn't like how much attention the biggest story is getting.Confused

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peachpudding · 13/06/2016 11:52

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RhodaBull · 13/06/2016 11:53

Again and again I see left-wing people paralysed by Victim Top Trumps. When something like this happens, they just can't seem to process what to say or do.

As far as it being a lone gunman, that is true. He was a homophobe. But - I have just read that a "kill list" has been circulating in the US urging lone wolves to commit terrorist acts. This sort of behaviour is virtually impossible to deal with. Any of us could be unhinged people likely to be influenced by a terrorist organisation.

But to deny that it is anything other than a homophobic attack is ludicrous. It was a homophobic attack prompted by a maniacal adherence to an extreme form of religion.

Btw headline on major Turkish newspaper today was "50 perverts killed in nightclub". Just sayin'.

MitzyLeFrouf · 13/06/2016 11:53

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MitzyLeFrouf · 13/06/2016 11:54

'Just sayin'' should be banned.

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howtorebuild · 13/06/2016 11:54

Beeny, it was a press review section. It wasn't the Owen Jones show. They were allowed an opinion and to speak too. Did you watch the full clip?

peachpudding · 13/06/2016 11:56

RhodaBull - we know he was homophobic but we don't know if that was the reason for the attack. It could just have been people in a nightclub having fun.

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AlPacinosHooHaa · 13/06/2016 11:57

. it was as if he wanted them to say it was totally unrelated to any warped terrorist ideology and just purely a stand alone homophobic incident, which it wasn't

he didn't want debate expansion.
They are on a news program this attack is not isolated, Islamic terrorists slaughtered people in the Bataclan but for different reasons, in this case it was a target on the LGBT. But its the name of the same group, hence them trying to link it up.

This is the point of discussion.

Lullabellesmell · 13/06/2016 11:58

Yes but to say its offensive to call them mad or nutters?? It may be factually incorrect, of course.

It's offensive to use (dis)ablist language (mad, lunatic, crazy etc)to describe people who do things unacceptable society. It equates such behaviours with mental illness which you have admitted is possibly factually incorrect, and stigmatises people belonging to that group who are perfectly well behaved, non criminal citizens.

BertrandRussell · 13/06/2016 11:58

peachpudding- maybe not on this thread now? Particularly the "mincing" comment? Just a thought..........

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AlPacinosHooHaa · 13/06/2016 11:59

Btw headline on major Turkish newspaper today was "50 perverts killed in nightclub". Just sayin

I saw that and wondered if anyone who speaks Turkish could confirm this for us.

I suspect it could be a word that may be easy to mis translate...

JeanGenie23 · 13/06/2016 11:59

I think he did the right thing by walking off actually. His view point wasn't being heard, he was there to discuss a news story but he wasn't being listened too. The gunman didn't happen across the gay club by accident. They were shot down because they were gay. Therefore it was a homophobic terror crime.
I also believe it's incredibly incorrect to label all killers lunatics, or mad. Not all of them are. Extremists yes, but this horrific tragedy wasn't someone with mental health issues not really understanding what they were doing, it was a deliberate attack on the LGBT community, and OJ was being completely dismissed.

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louisagradgrind · 13/06/2016 12:01

When you say 'masculine model of professionalism' Elinor, are you implying that it is ok for women professional commentators to have a strop?

I don't think it is ok for any professional commentator to be self indulgent in this way and by this way I mean, making it all about 'me, me, me'. Mr Jones has been successful in making sure that his childish behaviour is the talking point. I wonder if this was his intent. Of course, I don't like the man and this may be pervading my view.

I would not expect a journalist speaking about the Charlie Hebdo murders of journalists to behave in the way Mr Jones did and, to the best of my knowledge, none of them did.

In the same way, I would not expect a professional commentator to behave in the way Mr Jones did if fellow members of his religion were murdered and again.

I believe the clue is in the word,'professional' and I imagine the first rule of that is 'do not behave like a stroppy teenager.'

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AlPacinosHooHaa · 13/06/2016 12:01

jean

how much air time does he need to get his view heard? he spoke for ages about it. should they have just handed the whole program over to him?

Did anyone see Baroness Kennedy on Andrew Marr yesterday? She pretty much had a strop on camera, shot down the man next to her in a very rude manner and then challenged Andrew Marr on allowing the third guest to get her point out...saying she had too much air time.

MitzyLeFrouf · 13/06/2016 12:02

It's a homophobic attack. A terrorist attack. Two truths.

Yes.

And lots of Americans will think it impossible to view it as being both a terrorist problem and a gun control problem.

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BertrandRussell · 13/06/2016 12:02

All these women an gay people wanting their say ........it's political correctness gone sane.

beeny · 13/06/2016 12:02

I did watch the full clip and thought they tried to silence him.

JeanGenie23 · 13/06/2016 12:03

I think it was that during the time he spoke he was ignored. It wasn't the length of time he was talking for, just that what he was saying wasn't acknowledged.

AlPacinosHooHaa · 13/06/2016 12:03

how much of a say does he need?

I thought it was a discussion of headlines not a one on one with OJ?

PalmerViolet · 13/06/2016 12:04

Much as it pains me to admit it, because OJ is about as blatant a misogynist as you can get, but he was right to walk out here.

And yes, I have seen the whole interview, in answer to the pub bore who thinks that repeating the same question over and over makes them look incisive. I saw the bit where he had a few minutes to put his view across, while the others looked on as indulgently as if he was a clever child and then proceeded to speak over him and refuse to listen to anything he said.

This was a homophobic attack. That the perpetrator was a pretty much non-practising Muslim is fairly immaterial. It could just as easily have been a white "christian" gunman, most mass shootings last year in the US were perpetrated by non muslim men after all. However, of course, he would then have been a lone wolf, or mentally ill, or however else we make it ok for some men to kill a lot of other people.

There are more than two States that make life very difficult for LGB people, LBG is still not a protected characteristic in many states, which means that they can lose jobs, homes, financial support etc purely because of their sexuality. Not so different to the ME after all. And I say this as a US citizen, who loves the country, but is despairing at the way the politics are going.