To think Owen Jones is childish

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Owen Jones storms off sky news

I don't even get what his issue is, he's invited on to discuss the headlines and then runs off as he doesn't like how much attention the biggest story is getting.

I hope your not getting that from my posts Ego.

I don't think anyone in a minority should stop complaining I just find it odd trying to compare a few christian bible bashing nutters in small pockets of the states, to entire nations being raised to stone, kill and hate gay people.

There's a useful blog piece here on what was going on 'Straightsplaining'.

Personally I think that some of the criticism levelled at Owen Jones is similar to the criticism that is levelled at women if they become distressed and/or angyr when they are undermined/ignored
/overridden/not listened to in public situations.

'Oh you can't trust X to do the jobbbecause they are emotional.'

I think it's a poor world if we can't show and share our distress when people are gunned down. Or we disrespect others who feel distress.

Actually ego it was you who brought up other parts of the world by saying America us not so different to the middle east. It's actually vastly different to the middle east.

Sexism and homophobia exist in every country on earth but you seem determined to prove that America is a specifically dangerous place for LGBT people. It's only as dangerous as every other country on earth, and significantly less dangerous than many.

I'm not sure how many of you would like to be held to account for things you wrote when you were 16.

I have stuff I've written (under various names) indexed on Google for 32 years, back to when I was a first year undergraduate. I am confident that I haven't pledged my support to terrorists, although I did whine a lot about my future mother in law (MN avant la lettre).

Do you think that if it had been, say, Anders Behring Brevik doing the shooting, there would be as much impetus to say "terrorism" above "homophobia"?

He wasn't stopped from showing distress at the shooting. He wanted to dominate a debate and behaved atrociously when spoken back to.

Good for you. I suspect I might have done. In my day 16 year olds were not known for their moderate politics.

I just find it odd trying to compare a few christian bible bashing nutters in small pockets of the states"

What was that word? Oh yes....minimizing. That was it........

Ego I am sure it is and its wrong and its backward.

I am well imagine the red necks and the bible bashers doing that.

I just don't think - that is on any parr with Muslim nations were

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

"Extreme prejudice remains, both socially and legally, in much of the Islamic world against people who engage in homosexual acts. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty.[5][6][7][8][9][10][11] In others, such as Algeria, Maldives, Malaysia, Qatar, Somalia and Syria, it is illegal*

and when one group - is currently throwing gay people off roofs. With the added complication of religion wedded to the state.

It wasn't an bible basher who did this - it was an Islamic fundamentalist whose father thinks God should decide on how gay people are punished and himself uses a derogatory term to describe the group

Oh Bertrand, you also think the christian right in America is on a parr with many parts of the Muslim world do you?

"Oh Bertrand, you also think the christian right in America is on a parr with many parts of the Muslim world do you?"

No I don't.

But unlike many people I understand that it possible to be concerned about more than one thing at once. And that something does not stop being bad because something else is worse.

plenty of homophobic hate crime daily in Russia - you know that bastion of the Islamic world

and in the uk www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/figures-reveal-a-shocking-rise-in-homophobic-hate-crimes-a6692991.html

it's not a 'Muslim' problem and we are NOT some enlightened accepting society

Oh I see, so in the face of a mass shooting by some one with terror links from a religion that notoriously hates gay people , its actually the christian bible bashers your more worried about.

I see. interesting deflection

I think OJ was upset that the conversation was trying to expand into areas he is unwilling to debate against.

Had the assailant been a white Donald Trump supporter rather than a Muslim, people like Owen Jones would have relished the opportunity to attribute this crime to something related to Trump, and not solely on homophobia

Personally I abhor sexism and homophobia in any country. My posts have been in direct response to a poster who says treatment of LGBT people in the USA is not so different from those in Muslim countries.

Both are bad. One is clearly much worse, obviously.

I was just coming to comment to say it looked like "straightsplaining"

Watching sky news reminded me a of when men tell women that x, y or z isn't sexist and then try to shut them up, or minimise why they are upset that x y or z happened.

I dunno, I didn't feel comfortable with two straight people arguing with a gay person about if something was motivated by homophobia.

I know Owen Jones can be a right cunt and has said some horrible things about other groups, but I think he was right on this.

"Oh I see, so in the face of a mass shooting by some one with terror links from a religion that notoriously hates gay people , its actually the christian bible bashers your more worried about. shock "

Oh, for goodness sake. If you can't discuss things properly, just don't bother. I said nothing of the sort!

I am just getting the feeling in spite of a Muslim from Afghanistan heritage with ties to terrorists, has killed gay people...some posters are more keen to talk about something else entirely.

Just I agree, even some posters on this thread are struggling are they not.

Yes, course we are. Because we hate the West and love Muslims. Happy now?

Just noticed that we can all now change our Facebook profiles to show our solidarity with Orlando, like when we could all do the same for Paris after Bataclan.

Funny how Facebook didn't allow us to do that for Lebanon when a terrorist atrocity took place there at the same time as Paris (which got all the news) to show support for them.

Oh but of course, they aren't in the WEST, are they? So it doesn't count as much. We always - just like Jones - have to divide rather than unite. Sigh.