Euro 16 - they should ban the countries involved in fighting

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Having watched the news the past few nights it's seems clear some fans have just gone to France to cause trouble.

Yes the English fans were attacked/provocted today however they were very much the instigators yesterday.

Surely Russian, France and England football teams should be disqualified from the tournament. Same goes for any other teams who's fans cause trouble.

At least 1 England fan is seriously injured potential life threatening. I've seen footage of Russian fans stamping on English fans, throwing chairs. Water cannons, tear gas. Enough is enough, it's only football.

Well you did actually say exactly that. You blamed other countries and said that the English reputation was "unfair"

Not at all unfair, the English yobs earnt that reputation themselves by themselves, through their own behaviour. Not an unfair reputation themselves not scapegoats at all, as you put it!

I agree with you that other nations have far worse issues that are prehaps covered up, like I say I've seen worse in Italy.

But to say the English reputation is unfair is actually total denial of the facts! And dusrespectful to those who's lives very much English fans lives have put in danger!

Because of what happened in 1995 a seat at molineux sat empty because I was literally terrified to go to any game because of these yobs. If it wasn't for One of the Irish players who was playing for Wolves at the time I might never have gone to a game again. I wanted to be a sports journalist at the time. That is the effect this behaviour has on innocent people and you claim it's an unfair reputation. No sorry when you've been affected by it!

I've not really been following the football and I have been away for the weekend so I didn't see what has been going on, reading the BBC news though I read this article about the background to the proud Russian hooligans and the people in authority who support them and I was stunned. It seems these thugs are being lorded as 'real men', and that we are only shocked by their acts because we have seen too many gay parades.

Isn't the World Cup going to Russia?

NaughtToThreeSadOnions
"Well you did actually say exactly that. You blamed other countries and said that the English reputation was "unfair""

I didn't blame other countries for the hooliganism. I posted

"it comes from a time when other countries that had equally as bad "supporters" but needed a scapegoat"

In that other countries ignored their issues and the media projected all of the hooliganism on to the English. That is the unfair part.

I haven't denied any facts or been disrespectful, all I have said is the same as you in that other countries have it the same or worse.

I have just added that the English "supporters" are scapegoated and others ignored.

English football violence has been going on for decades and is unconnected to politics.

So yes, throwing out nations whose fans cannot behave themselves strikes me as an excellent idea (better than just waiting to be knocked out again).

English commentators seem to blame others for being unduly provoking or heavy handed. But it happens so much, that really a change in behaviour is needed. I'm very tempted to compare it all to a disruptive toddler, tbh.

DoinItFine Which country are you referring to? Ireland has relativly low crime rates, Northern Ireland has a tragic history but the majority of people just want to live in peace.
DB is at the Euros and there is a lovely picture on his FB of the Irish and Swedish fans just having a great time.
Any person from any country that is involved in hooliganism should have it stamped on their passport so other countries can refuse them entry.

Yes ban the host country, that'll go down well

But it doesn't at all come from a time when England were "scapegoated" boney

It comes from the behaviour of English yobos. There's no scapegoating English yobos and I won't even call them supporters because they know jack about the game, the reputation is totally and utterly fair!

No one has disagreed that other countries have issues that are in no way dealt with in the same hardline way the FA and British police deal with the "English problem" which is why I think disqualifying England and France especially would be unfair because the FA do deal with the issue more effectively than most if not all other countries with the same issue.

But suggesting the reputation is unfair or scapegoating is entirely fiction and totally disrespectful to those who have been genuinely effected by the behaviour of the England yobos. Please stop putting "supporters" because that's also disrespectful they haven't traveled to offer any support they've travelled to have a good fight.

I just read that England fans without tickets for the Lens match have been asked to stay in Lille. At the same time as Russia plays in Lille.

That seems somewhat dimwitted.

I also just read the article OddBoots linked to

Oh badkitten I do think that police and organisers sometimes inflame the situation with England yobs and other countries with issues with ill behaved thugs.

Which is what I mean by the FA and British police in the most part handle the situation well.

English football violence has been going on for decades and is unconnected to politics

Hooliganism was at its height in the 1980s and saw a re-emergence after 2009 - both times it coincided with recession, higher rates of unemployment and increased levels of poverty. Notably these years were also marked by rioting apparently unconnected to football. To say the two are completely unconnected is disingenuous - there is clearly a correlation.

On the plus side, the racist chants that were common place on the terraces in the 1980s are thankfully virtually unheard of these days, unlike in some other European countries - notably Spain. The UK seems to have had a lot of success tackling racist hooliganism on its own soil and kicking racism out of the sport.

Our leaders - both political and sporting - have played a huge role in that. The same cannot be said of that utter fuckwit of a Russian MP and others like him. I fear for the future of football when the Russians become hosts, with dick splashes like that potentially involved.

I would consider that although hooliganism was labelled the English Disease, it is also the English who have led the charge for tackling it and had more success - improved policing tactics, coordinated effort from politicians and sporting leaders including the FA, a shift in public perception and increased intolerance to racism, better coordination of resources and banning known hooligans from attending matches have also played a significant role. The English game has many positives and achieved a huge amount that is unfortunately overshadowed by the behaviour of a minority of travelling hooligans to international tournaments.

The English hooligans who call themselves fans, are finally getting a taste of their own medicne with the Russian ones.
I bet they're really pissed off that they've been out thugged by the Russians
Send both teams home. Send out a very clear signal, and stop pussyfooting around these pond life.

It's always the English fans as well. The welsh and Irish ones have been brilliant as usual. I saw a lot of local people come out to welcome the Irish fans when they were training a couple of days ago.

My DH thinks that they should be nuked, so i think i'm being quite tolerant in comparison.

Unfortunately many innocent English bystanders and families were also given a taste of Russian medicine petit, as video evidence inside the stadium shows, so I find it very hard to sympathise with your glib post. All this national one-upmanship is distasteful in the extreme.

As usual, the Irish fans have been showing everyone how it's done

Surely if the teams are banned then the hooligans (because that is what they are) will have won.
I agree with other posters who have mentioned the rise of far right extremism again. This tournament is a great excuse for those who want to cause trouble to do so.
One thing I don't understand is that the French authorities are saying that 150 Russian hooligans have been responsible for a lot of the trouble yet not one has been arrested.
Unfortunately I don't know what the solution is as, even if alcohol is banned, those who are looking for a fight will continue regardless!

I certainly don't condone the fighting, in fact like at the Euros in 2000 I find it really really upsetting and embarrassing to see BUT this is NOT the fault of the English manager and team!! It would be disgusting if talented sportsmen/athletes were sent home from a tournament they have been dreaming of their whole lives for, for something that has nothing to do with them! If a group of Scots had a fight outside wimbledon would they send Andy Murray home?

You should read Andre Agassi's bio.

I was joking. Many notorious cases of pushy tennis parents.

It certainly wouldn't hurt if the national teams publicly condemned all and any violence. (and showed by example on the pitch )

Not sure if this has been done, as I don't really follow the sports news.

Lweji, the England manager and captain have both publically stated that the violence is unacceptable. Whilst the behaviour of the England fans is clearly awful in some cases, it isn't in the same league as the Russian fans who have deliberately invaded opposition seating areas.

Ordinary supporters who went to the game (and I would have been one if I had got a ticket) being attacked. Not drunk people fighting, just people who may well have avoided the bars etc so as to avoid trouble were attacked at a sporting event. A suitable punishment would (IMO) be that the Russian fans were banned from attending the next game.

Given the comments by the Russian MP, there's no way I'd even attempt to get a ticket for the world cup in 2018. Much like I avoid away matches in Eastern Europe and Italy, but always feel safe in England - even at derbies. Perhaps because the behaviour was so bad in the 80s, our police are actually pretty good at dealing with hooligans, and the atmosphere at the games is generally good. I've been to a lot of matches in this country and never, ever seen anything like what happened on Sunday.

Thankfully, I tend to watch more rugby these days, were there is often mixed seating within the grounds and never a hint of trouble!

Glad I am Scottish & a rugby fan :-)

Which country are you referring to? Ireland has relativly low crime rates

So does England.

Ireland also has a crazy murderous drugs feud playing out on the streets of its capital.

Is that another way we are "showing the world how it's done"?

Or do we only lead the world in smuggery?

Given the English teams first game performance they might not be there long anyway...hope the plane is booked and engine running

Never mind..England ladies should be at Womens' Euros next year. Don't think the thugs will bother there...

Yes the World Cup 2018 is going to Russia.

And 2022 to Qatar - that bastion of human rights which accuses alleged rape victims of adultery, fines them and deports them.

Lets hope England qualifies for neither.

A drugs feud between two families heavily involved in the trade killing each other. I am not saying Ireland does not have its problems, of course it does. But from my point of view in the places I have lived in England theres a failing somewhere and the violence amongst young people is a whole other league.

Given that the Russians have been sanctioned for what their fans did to Enish fans after the match in Marseille, I think a lot of the comments on tbis thread are in extremely poor taste.

And a far cry from "showing the world how it shoukd be done" when it comes to supporting International football.

If Irish or Welsh fans had been attacked liked that there is no way English football supporters woukd be using the occasion to give vent to historical grievances.

Fucking shameful.