To think that students shouldn't be making teachers cry FFS!.

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...and that the school system is essentially fucked because teachers have too many pressures and are treated like crap?

DS is not good at Maths. He's not badly behaved but is not good at Maths hence he is stuck in a set where the kids tend to be badly behaved.

The teacher is obviously not a native English speaker but DS says he is perfectly understandable. His classmates however are constantly teasing this poor man about his English. It became so bad today that the teacher actually cried and then lost it and yelled at the kids that he spoke 5 languages and they only spoke one.

I feel so sorry for this guy. He must be at the end of his tether but how can he possibly teach and be effective with 30 students, all the marking, planning and politics. I feel like it's an impossible task.

But what can the government/society do to make teachers' lives easier, especially when you consider the drop out rate or is it just inevitable that with so little money and so many children to educate that the school system is essentially fucked?

We have this policy at work, my family member who is a teacher would love for education to have this also..

Poppies I totally agree, this should be the policy in schools.

They're up everywhere from gp practices to A&E, should have similar in classrooms, corridors and school offices!

Exactly, I bet if this happened in a FE establishment, they would be thrown off the course, or Police called, if they treAted the tutor how they are treating this poor teacher. I remember in college we were given a list of expectations, including behaviour, if we did not abide by them, there were sanctions. Shoukd be same in school. No wonder not many want to teach at senior level, year 7 plus. The primary school teachers I know,look at me in horror when I gave asked whether they would teach secondary. Yes the apple never falls far from the tree, especially where there is very little discipline at home.

This teacher shouldn't worry, these same kids will one day be emptying his bins and scanning at the checkouts. They will amount to nothing and then natural selection will weed their genes out ;)

I think that's pretty insulting to people working in those roles. In any case it probably isn't accurate and would hardly help the teacher and those like him experiencing that behaviour at the moment.

I think the our 'wonderful' welfare state must be partly to blame.

If you thought you would be keeping your adult DCs and providing a roof over their heads for all of their lives, because they were unable to provide for themselves, it would focus your mind as a parent. But in the UK they will find a partner, have children of their own and be given a house and the benefit system will kick in. They will have left home and be 'independent' education or not.
Benefits have been cut, perhaps this will make a difference but probably takes years to influence behavior. Perhaps it will be this generation of bullying childrens' children who are made to work at school.

Kids want to see how far they can ouch teachers.our glass had a switch of German teacher in our last year. The first teacher was strict (and good) and the typical kids soon realised they couldn't push her. When the new one came they worked on how far they pushed her and made her cry because she didn't know how to control them. Teachers need to toughen up. They'll get that sort of kid wherever they go and they need to deal with them.

crazy that's not helpful and addressing the problem in our classrooms. My SIL is a bit of a stalwart and very tough, broke after years of abuse, and now works in FE establishment. Lots of teachers are leaving the profession due to this.

Sounds like the teacher needs to grow a pair. If he can't teach properly. Resign

This is part of the problem. Some parents are not teaching their child how to behave in any circumstances, how to talk to others and have respect. Then they send them off to school and expect teachers to deal with the fallout. Because 'its their job'. Their job is to teach, it shouldn't be to tame kids with no idea how to behave because their parents can't be bothered.

Emptying bins and scanning at checkouts? Those jobs require resilience, hard work, ability to take instructions, team work etc. The badly behaved little snowflakes will never manage a job of any description. So there'll be a whole bunch of grown up kids still with mum and dad because they were encouraged to disrespect teachers.
Pupils have made me take a step back, turn round, take a deep breath, but parents have made me cry.
I despair sometimes about what is going to happen to these children, but deep down I resent my own well behaved children having to share classes with them.

Sounds like the teacher needs to grow a pair. If he can't teach properly. Resign

We are facing a growing shortage of teachers, due in part to bad behaviour in the classroom. If you want your child taught science or maths by someone who is actually qualified to teach those subjects, we need to make sure those teachers are not being driven out of the profession by badly behaved children. And that means holding school management to account, if they are blaming teachers rather than backing them up.

aero helpful or not it's the truth. That was just one example from my school. There were a small number of teachers who couldn't handle those who really loved to push boundaries and see how much they would get away with. IMO the fact that a couple of teachers cried was due to their inability to keep the class under control. They were in the wrong profession. Those who didn't take suit earned a lot of respect from those who pushed and the rest of us.

No kids shouldn't be making the teachers cry but it isn't just the kids at fault there.

The shortage of teachers isn't just the kids. Every teacher I speak to say it's the workload and expectations after work made by the schools and the expectations year round set by the govt.

So crazy if a customer or client from your workplace derides you, is verbally abusive, may physically threaten you and then threatens you with the loss of your job you'd just think 'oh well, thems the breaks for working'? Because that's what I've inferred from your post, just because it's teaching does NOT mean it is acceptable to be treated like this!

A teacher shod teach, they are not riot Police. I know this is happening at the moment, but it should not, there is something inheritanly wrong with the schools behaviour management and staff support, instead of resigning, teachers should be supported by the heads. We are talking about children who will soon be adults, and be in the adult environment where their behaviour w I'll not be tolerated.it is working when children are telling teachers they are going to break them, this should not be allowed to happen. Yes it does stem mostly from a lack of discipline at home, when from an early age little Tarquin who was indulged by their parents have grown bigger, and think the world owes them one. Not all though, some children do have special needs.

Kids in bottom set of maths behaving badly...

They probably feel stupid, looked down upon, bored and they're acting out because of it.

They need engaging in activities that gives them a sense of accomplishment.

I guess the resources aren't available though to give them the time they need, for everyone's benefit.

Missmargie

That's a very sweeping stereotype you have there.

I can tell you that the disruptive bullies at my child's school were all from naice middle class families.

In some schools, teachers can be as tough and scary as you like; it makes no difference if they haven't got actual punishments to back them up. There are schools where if the teacher sets a detention, the pupils simply don't turn up, and the headteacher won't do anything about it. Ultimately, there are some children who, if they know you have no sanctions behind your tough facade, they simply won't care.

This isn't just about teachers, it's also about the other children in the class, who are being deprived of the learning they should be getting. As parents and taxpayers, we should be demanding that all schools have proper behaviour systems, enforced by the schools' senior leadership.

I do wonder if some of these behaviour problems are down to the fact the children lack the ability to tolerate boredom.

I wonder if some of the posters with 'helpful' advice like 'give them engaging activities and they won't piss about' have ever been a teacher.

I had a class where there was utterly no point in setting detentions. They actually weren't badly behaved but were terrible in terms of doing homework. The head said I should impose detention on them. They explained to me that there really wasn't any point as they had a backlog of detentions to do for not doing their homework for the head.

If teachers haven't any sanctions to use what are they supposed to do?

noblegiraffe I doubt it.

Oh yes, the kids where you give them a detention and they say 'I can't do breaktime, I've got an art detention, then geography at lunch and they get their planner out and try to book your detention in like you're making a reservation at an exclusive restaurant.

Nobelgiraffe

I doubt that the majority of teachers are at fault m, here.

Personally I think it's the entire system and our entrenchment in the current way children are educated (again, in the main this isn't the teachers' fault; their hands are so tied by all the stupid red tape bollocks)

Exactly sooty. You can't force a child to learn if they really don't want to. It just isn't possible.