.. to think that "I fear for my sons" and ..

[BertrandRussell]

"I feel sorry for my sons" are just new ways of saying "I hate feminists"?

bran i was on that thread too. Some of the views very concerning.

thank god for that, it's weird how some posters really like to pretend stuff like that doesn't happen on mn. I am always glad when someone else has seen it too.

I wish the moderator would move this thread over to 'feminist chat; where bollocks like this belongs.

I dont mean individual posters, some of whom are making sense. Just the subject...

Good post Maryz

I do hope the people who object to "male tears" mugs also object every time a woman is told to "lighten up" or to "take a joke" when she complains about page 3, or sexist advertising slogans (like the Office one currently the subject of a thread on here) or all the other things that are "just a bit of fun"

You have all been actively supporting the women targeted on Twitter by MRA- remember what happened to Mary Beard? And Caroline Criardo Perez, who audaciously suggested that it might be a good idea if Jane Austen appeared on a bank note?

I do suggest that before you are too taken in by groups like Hequal, you look a bit deeper in MRA- the moderate face covers some very unpleasant stuff I suspect you would not like to be associated with.

Bertrand

"I do hope the people who object to "male tears" mugs also object every time a woman is told to "lighten up" or to "take a joke" when she complains about page 3, or sexist advertising slogans (like the Office one currently the subject of a thread on here) or all the other things that are "just a bit of fun"

Yes we do do both those things

Why is it so hard for you to believe that???

"Yes we do do both those things

Why is it so hard for you to believe that???"

It's not. I'm glad you do! It's just that such threads always seem to be mostly populated by the "lighten up" brigade!

I only ever commented on a Mumsnet feminism thread once. I said I support equality but that we have to accept that in a few circumstances absolute equality might mean more rights for men too (equal access to children after a relationship split, equal access to lifeboats on the Titanic, for example).

I was immediately shouted down as an 'MRA'.

That's why I fear for my sons.

Equal access to children after a split is a red herring though, isn't it? The courts usually award custody to the parent who's the primary caregiver, and in most cases it's the mother. I'm all up for men to have equal access to their kids but if they want it then they should do an equal share of parenting before too.

See, you lost me there

The minute people start talking about "brigades" I know they can't engage person to person.

Sheepish, that was probably a bad example. But I do have female friends who work full time while their partners are stay at home dads who are horrified at the thought that their partner might get main residency of the kids after a split. Because children 'should be with their mum'.

But you're right the court system wouldn't see it that way.

Sorry- I didn't realise "brigade" was a problem- please exchange it for your chosen word for a group of like minded people.

You aren't sorry so don't apologise

Your whole rhetoric is based on setting up artificial confrontation.

You deliberately started a thread that required people to read your mind to understand what you meant and then derided people for not understanding

"But I do have female friends who work full time while their partners are stay at home dads who are horrified at the thought that their partner might get main residency of the kids after a split. Because children 'should be with their mum'.

They are obviously wrong. Incidentally, I am impressed that you have more than one female friend who works full time while their partner is a SAHP. I don't know any at the moment- I think I have only known 3 for whom it was a permanent (rather than a between jobs) situation in my whole adult life.

"You deliberately started a thread that required people to read your mind to understand what you meant and then derided people for not understanding"

Actually, no I didn't. I didn't deride anyone. Check back and see.

And I really don't see why brigade is a problem!

I wish the moderator would move this thread over to 'feminist chat; where bollocks like this belings

Yep.

I do hope the people who object to "male tears" mugs also object every time a woman is told to "lighten up"

The very fact that you feel the need to post this implies, imo, that you don't think they do. I think you are so entrenched in the mindset that anyone who expresses concern about misandry is anti-feminism that you interpret everything through that lens.

Even when people have explicitly stated that they aren't anti-feminist (that they are in fact feminist themselves) and that they "fear for their sons" because some people genuinely do hold misandrist views, you've replied by saying those things aren't the fault of feminism. Nobody said it was! It's as though the two positions - being feminist and being anti-misandry - cannot co-exist in your mind.

You can't even seem to bring yourself to freely admit that people say and do misandrist things without trying to dismiss it with the likes of "well I've never seen it." It's as though to admit it exists equates to betraying your feminism, because you are so fixated on the idea that concern for sons/men is anti-feminist.

Happy to be part of the "feminist brigade"!

All extremism is bad in my opinion, people who get so wrapped up in propoganda are an absolute danger to others and to the cause they started out to help.

I have a few female friends who have been/are main earner while dad is at home with the kids. Sometimes (but not always) it's been down to external circumstances such as partner being made redundant, so I suppose that would affect how they feel.

This whole idea of misandry is very interesting- can we talk about it?

Is the ridiculous fear of men in childcare settings misandry? I'm not sure whether it is- it seems to me to be an extension ad absurdam of the "you can't be too careful" mantra. Saying "all men are paedophiles" is obviously misandry. But not wanting a male child care worker? In my opinion that is utterly stupid. But misandrist? I don't know.

Other examples, anyone?