"Rape...is not caused by rapists" WTF!?!

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If you aren't aware of the rapist Brock Turner and the campaigners who think he's getting a hard time, have a read of this guardian link.

AIBU to think that the statement from Leslie Rassmussen decrying political correctness that harms poor boys like Brock is the dumbest piece of shit I've ever read?

Even in their drunkest, most ridiculous states my Husband, Brothers and adult sons would not rape a woman because, and I'm sure Leslie wouldn't want to entertain this notion, they wouldn't rape somebody because they aren't rapists!!!!

Brock clearly is.
Having sex without consent is rape.
Forcing yourself upon an unconscious person is rape.

You don't have to be a stranger in a dark alley to do that, just your normal, average, everyday twat.

I know it is hard to accept the wrongdoings of a loved one.
I know we'd all fight to protect those we care about but you can still fucking accept the mistakes that people make...even if you can't get your head around it, don't bury your head in the sand and pretend it's less of an abuse because 'he's a nice guy'.
When will people wake the fuck up?

Link: gu.com/p/4kk46/stw

Can I state here, for the record: no one should ever, not once, ever in their entire lives, ever have sex they don't want, not for any reason.

God this makes me so angry the more I read and think about it the angrier I feel. Everything about it - the assault, the statements from Turner, his dad and his friends, and the pathetic 'sentence' he received. And people still say we don't need feminism and there is no such thing as rape culture

Applauds TheSparrowhawk.

EveryoneElsie 9th June 13.22
Here is the article I mentioned and I have found some others.

www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/the-sexist/blog/13118502/rapists-who-dont-think-theyre-rapists

europe.newsweek.com/campus-rapists-and-semantics-297463

Aggressive? Not really . A bit flabbergasted at the interpretation of the girl's condition. Her treatment was 'agressive.' My reaction? Not so much.

And pine needles and dirt in someone's vagina are 'part for the course?' Interesting.

Going by the law he didn't rape her, it was sexual assault. I would be careful about calling him something he is not as it could be bad your you and mumsnet which allow his reputation to be damaged by not correcting the false info.

I think Mumsnet is safe enough....

The judge is an utter arse. I'm assuming he wanted a not guilty verdict.

All the major US newspapers and UK ones are referring to Brock as a rapist. I think Mumsnet will be okay.

Brock's Momma? Ickle swimming fwend?

But he is not a rapist and people should be careful of calling him one.

Oh he only sexually assaulted her. Oh that's ok then. What were we all worried about?

Below is what his grandparents wrote in the pre-sentencing letter. Talk about victim blaming. Shocking.

We were shocked, and stunned by the outcome and left to the only thing we could do -- hold each other and cry. We are still in disbelief. Brock is the only person held accountable for the actions of other irresponsible adults. He raised a right hand, swore an oath and told the truth."

What actions? Is it now a crime to get drunk? Did she force the poor boy to assault her? And for the record he lied repeatedly AND he approached other girls at the party, all of which turned him down so he decided someone unconscious would be a safer bet.

If a country denies that penetration is rape if it wasnt a penis, thats their definition. Generally its called rape whether its a penis, finger or object they use.
Just as generally we think of it as sodomy if you are raped anally with a penis or object, even though legally you cannot be sodomised unless you are a man.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree

No it's awful, but you can get in great legal trouble for calling him something he is not.

MaryJo15 - the whole internet and international media are calling him the Stanford Rapist. Are you contacted them as well?

Sucks to be him, eh?

nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/brock-turner-sexual-assault-felony.html

Media are not, read the stories.

enter - mostly the following.

I'm not for a second comparing my story to the one being discussed here but there can be a gray area and I belive it's important to recognise that.

You are comparing your incomparable story with the case under discussion and the grey area simply doesn't exist between strangers.

Brock is the only person held accountable for the actions of other irresponsible adults.

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?

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I agree with pp that there's an important legal distinction between an alleged rapist and a convicted rapist. I think it extremely likely that Brock has been socialised to be a rapist. I think it highly likely he raped this particular woman. However, there was not enough evidence for a rape conviction, so he is not a proven rapist. He is a convicted sex offender and we'd be within our rights to print that on banners and march through Stanford.

UK - CPS
Rape and Sexual Offences:
Chapter 3: Consent

Lack of consent may be demonstrated by:

Evidence that by reason of drink, drugs, sleep, age or mental disability the complainant was unaware of what was occurring and/ or incapable of giving valid consent;

Below is from
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/228983/7526.pdf

INTOXICATION AND CRIMINAL LIABILITY: THE BASIC COMPONENTS
1.15 It is important to make one thing clear at the outset. There is no common law or
statutory “defence of intoxication”. That is to say, the simple fact that D was
voluntarily intoxicated at the time he or she allegedly committed the offence
charged does not provide D with a “defence”. Equally, the fact that D acted
involuntarily in a state of automatism caused by voluntary intoxication does not
allow D to rely on the defence of automatism.30

Maryjo, Here's a couple of the UK media headlines:

Daily Mail: Stanford Rapist pictured with Bong

Metro: Two Hero Students caught Stanford Rapist

They are leaving themselves open to be sued the same as mumsnet so. Most media are rightfully not calling him a rapist.

Digital penetration is rape.

I think you are a little off topic here Maryjo.

It's on topic, it's important to represent the person the thread is about in the correct light and not make up false info.