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AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is even more of a tw--a--it...

461 replies

GigiB · 06/06/2016 20:27

.. she really is. Check out this headline:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627352/KATIE-HOPKINS-Welcome-Midsummer-madness-Ramadan.html

who wants to help me plot how to get her put in a box and posted to the north pole with no ski's?

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crystalgall · 07/06/2016 08:14

What a strange word mischevious is. I can't believe that a 'Muslim married to a muslim'Confused would b agreeing with Katie Hopkins about fasting and using such a trivial term
To describe her hate rant.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/06/2016 08:15

I prefer wicked

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/06/2016 08:16

Not in the "good" sense either.

crystalgall · 07/06/2016 08:17

I don't understand you at all kawliga. She said that if disability benefits were handed out from the top of a ladder most disable people would be able
To climb the ladder to get itShock

To you this isn't hateful? It's not vile? It's not thick of her to say this?

Her free speech is well intact.

And you actually think this is a person with good
Morals to pass onto her children? I am
BaffledConfused

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 07/06/2016 08:18

Nobody has said "thousands" though - just that it obviously does have an affect. It's naive to argue otherwise and wrongheaded to argue that there is no effect simply to avoid offending Muslims.

And Crystal I am pretty sure it's a breach of the talk guidelines to accuse another poster of lying. I am a convert to Islam and my husband is an immigrant from a Muslim country. It's just as ignorant to suggest that all Muslims think the same way as it is to suggest that all job-Muslims think like KH.

MrsJayy · 07/06/2016 08:18

Ramadan has been going on in the uk decades was no outrage about drs and uberdrivers and our safety before just in the last few years

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 07/06/2016 08:19

Non-Muslims, obviously.

kawliga · 07/06/2016 08:20

I would assume she was saying that disability benefits are subject to an element of fraud, which is true. All benefits are subject to an element of fraud. It is really difficult to stop a welfare system from being abused by fraudsters. That's what they tried to achieve with the deserving/undeserving poor and it didn't work. This is not controversial.

eternalopt · 07/06/2016 08:26

I'd be more concerned if an uber driver was doing a 20 hour shift! Of course they're not. They will be able to choose when to work to suit their day, so do some early driving when you just eaten and drank and then get some sleep in daylight hours before waking up for darkness to eat again. It's not their first time fasting, so their bodies are accustomed to it, and it's not the first time Ramadan has fallen in summer. Linking Ramadan with Isis is vile. It would be like someone writing an article 25 years ago saying "watch out. It's lent and the Christians can't eat chocolate so they're grumpy and the IRA is coming"

Figmentofmyimagination · 07/06/2016 08:27

Well it's a sign of the (not very pleasant) times that she has a column at all, and that some posters on here are even proud to say they agree with her. What goes around comes around. The daily mail has a long history of this sort of thing. Let's not forget that this was the paper that gave away free pairs of tickets to hear Mosley speak in the Olympia stadium as a prize for the reader with the best entry in a competition to complete the sentence 'we love the blackshirts because'....

WhisperingLoudly · 07/06/2016 08:28

crystal she wasn't talking generally at all Hmm she was attempting to differentiate this year from previous recent years in order to support her totally unclear argument that concern is driven by hate.

Which is a wholly disingenuous position to take when this years fast is mere minutes longer than that in 2015.

Just5minswithDacre · 07/06/2016 08:28

There's a whole genre of waffle about Muslim uber drivers growing up Angry What the hell is that all about?

crystalgall · 07/06/2016 08:42

Ok I think I'm done here anyway. It's the first fast today and I want to spend my time being productive rather than get into pointless circling arguments with people who aren't interested in real Muslims fasting just imaginary calamities befalling them.

I didn't say you were lying Young. Your choice of vocabulary was odd. I didn't think there could be a Muslim out there who could agree with Katie Hopkins thinly veiled suggestion that fasting be banned in this country. (After all what else is she suggesting in the last paragraph?) but clearly I was wrong. You agree with her. Ok then. Perhaps you should be the first to campaign for banning fasting.

I've already said I agree that fasting is tough and affects our bodies. But we just get on with it really. As I'm sure you do. I haven't killed anyone yet.

Kawliga your interpretation of that Katie Hopkins tells me all
I need to know so we'll
Leave it there.

Happy Ramadan. I'm off to make some samosas. Smile

crystalgall · 07/06/2016 08:42

*of that Katie Hopkins tweet.

crystalgall · 07/06/2016 08:45

yeh eternal I don't think anyone's interested in the obvious logic that Uber drivers don't work for 20 hours.
It doesn't really make as great a sound bite as 'fasting Muslim uber drivers are a danger to the British!''

That's my final word!

violentvioletx · 07/06/2016 08:46

There's not much that Katie Hopkins says that I agree with, however on this case I whole heartedly do.

BillSykesDog · 07/06/2016 08:51

It would be like someone writing an article 25 years ago saying "watch out. It's lent and the Christians can't eat chocolate so they're grumpy and the IRA is coming"

Well if some Catholic priests had issued statements urging the IRA to attack during lent they might have had a point. If the IRA had killed 400 people on one good Friday they might have had a point. If governments had issued warnings urging caution during lent they might have had a point.

Anyway. There's an easy way to settle this. Let's wait until the end of Ramadan and see how many corpses the Islamists have managed to create. If it's none I'm prepared to hold my hand up and admit I was wrong. But I think realistically nobody seriously expects that to happen. When was the last time a month went by without Islamist violence?

dividedmansions · 07/06/2016 08:51

She's just a professional troll. I don't think she even believes most of the crap she comes out with, she just says it because that's what people expect from her now and it's how she gets her money.

Tbh the more indignant people get over what she says the more likely she is to continue. She wouldn't bother if she got no attention for it.

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 07/06/2016 08:53

FAOD I don't want fasting banned, but I don't think pretending that there are no ill effects and making "nothing to see here" comments when there is obviously an issue in some circumstances is helpful. I don't think someone who has been fasting all day should be driving a bus full of school children, for example. It's just an unnecessary risk.

And I am not fasting because I am pregnant Smile but Ramadan Kareem to all who are.

Thefitfatty · 07/06/2016 09:02

Well, I've been in the Middle East for over a decade now, and yes, the driving does tend to get a little bit worse during Ramadan (to be fair, it's bad all the time). And things do tend to get a bit quieter (no different than summer or the Christmas season home really), but I wouldn't hesitate to take a cab or go to a doctor. Confused

First off, you're allowed to break your fast if you think you might hurt yourself or others, and generally people doing jobs like that will tailor their hours so they aren't that affected.

God I wish it was 28degrees! That's positively chilly! It's 42 Degrees in the shade here today, and funnily enough no ones complaining about no water. :/

Surferjet · 07/06/2016 09:18

KT could say ' it's Wednesday tomorrow' & some people would call her an evil troll. She's a hate figure & provides an outlet for many. I've seen some of the abuse she gets on Twitter ( which she just laughs at & re-tweets ) but I honestly worry that there are so many people out there with so much hate in them, what they say is a 1000x worse than anything KT says. ( not that I agree with everything she says )
But as much as it physically pains some people, she is right over this.
( & the person who said something like 'back in the 60's no one worried about this, I think you'll find there weren't as many Muslims here back then ) not that I have a problem with any person following their religion, but where people's safety is at risk you have to question it.

MimiLeBonk · 07/06/2016 09:31

I think she's got a point.

Imagine your child/family member is about to under anaesthetic for surgery. The surgeon or anaesthetist is on day 20 of a 20 hr a day fast, hasn't been sleeping much because have a distended stomach/eating at a strange hour, they've not eaten for 18 hours so far today. How happy would you be?

When I've fainted through not eating on very rare occasions I didn't get much warning - I just dropped.

I never thought about it before but she does have a point

Thefitfatty · 07/06/2016 09:33

where people's safety is at risk you have to question it.

Which is why they are allowed to break fast if they think they are putting themselves or others in danger.

The fast isn't a punishment or some crazy draconian thing that everyone must follow on penalty of death. It's supposed to be a time of reflection and peace and you are absolutely allowed to break fast if you think you could hurt someone! You're supposed to do your best, not kill yourself!

Thefitfatty · 07/06/2016 09:34

The surgeon or anaesthetist is on day 20 of a 20 hr a day fast, hasn't been sleeping much because have a distended stomach/eating at a strange hour, they've not eaten for 18 hours so far today. How happy would you be?

I would say that's a pretty incompetent surgeon. Which is why most Muslim doctors wouldn't fast before surgery. They would break fast and make up for it later, or schedule the surgery for first thing in the morning. etc.

They're Muslim, not fucking stupid.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 07/06/2016 09:39

So don't you have a voice on those threads? Why don't you challenge them?

Leeks I am not the one starting threads complaining about how Muslims are treated. No double standards from me, unlike so many posters on here. My point is that THOSE PEOPLE who get all stressy about KH criticising Muslims say NOTHING at the degradation of Jesus and Christians that happens here every day.