To think seven Caesareans in eight years is a recipe for disaster?

[ElizabethG81]

What's happened to this woman is horrific, but surely having so many Caesareans in such a short period of time is recklessness bordering on insanity? www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3615027/Mother-eight-relives-nightmare-waking-C-section-discover-legs-amputated.html

memyself You seem overly invested in me, why?

Flowers give up. After that comment you're getting no chance of you being listened to. You need to take it elsewhere.

All health authorities and health staff must apologise for any fault or alleged fault regardless.This does not imply that they have made errors.
Patients in an induced coma are ventilated artificially and on an Intensive care ward and would have 1:1 specialist nursing care 24/7.
I am sorry she had to loose her legs but it could have been her life from haemorrhage or maybe the thrombus could have caused a stroke or heart attack leaving all those children motherless.
I think sometimes emergencies to result in cases like this and we forget the many more people who(physically)come through.

What the hell is she suing for??
Presumably because she had an army of children, that she couldn't afford and she wants the NHS and UK tax payers to pay for her children's upbringing now.

If you read the story she's not actually suing for anything to do with the actual c-section itself. She's suing because whilst she was in a coma she was suffering from a condition which meant that blood clots were very likely. This meant she should have been monitored hourly to detect blood clots but she was left without being checked for 6 hours. She developed blood clots, but because of the lack of checks they weren't detected until it was too late to save her legs.

And contrary to popular belief she won't be getting some sort of bonanza that will allow her to live like a lottery winner. It will probably cover adaptations to her home and equipment she needs for her disability. Plus any lost earnings for her and her DH. So it will just mean that they're not left out of pocket by someone else's fuck up rather than making them rich.

Plus I can't see any suggestion they're on benefits in the story anyway.

I,ve now reported this thread 3 times. Hope its gone tomorrow.

Some shameful views. MN at its absolute worse.

I want to apologise for my disabilist comment

I felt destroyed after three, no way can we risk that again so husband got sterilised and I'm on the pill just in case. Can't believe she made it through so many!

It would be interesting to know if hospital/national policy is to check for dvt more than every six hours........I would be suprised if it was.

The first signs of a dvt are usually the person themselves complaining of an achey, throbby leg. Redness, swelling are usually secondary to this. Obviously someone in a coma wouldn't be aware of this so yes being in a coma raises your risk of firstly getting a dvt but also raises the risk that the dvt may be more serious by the time it's found.

Probably shouldn't have read this thread (or story) as I head to my 4th section next week....

Suzietwo, that woman had a condition called placenta accreta which is more common the more sections you have. I'm guessing you don't have it? You would know if you did from scans. Accreta makes the risk of bleeding much higher.

So please don't worry.

Yes it's fine! Just one of those 'oh stfu everyone' moments!
Fwiw you're not advised to tie tubes after 3 or 4 but I'm choosing to after 4. Like someone up thread I was assessed after 3 for the risk of 4th and it was determined I would be OK. I then had a further assessment a year after section with a scan to check healing and whether 4th would be OK. Don't make assumptions about risk assessments.

out of curiosity what is the time scale that would lead to amputation.

the only stuff I know is from tv

but isn't it up to three hours they cab administer that TPA stuff. amd the heperin/blood thinner stuff cab take a few days to work properly can't it?

so surely the very fact her blood clotted to the point of amputation was needed proves it was in fact hours that went by without it being spotted.

Giles, it may not have been appropriate to give her warfarin or similar. Remember she had a haemorrhage and her clotting is messed up although I am not a medic so don't really have a clue.

In which case Simon if someone is in a coma, when they are at most risk due to lack of movement and lack of awareness the hospital should step up and be checking more regularly. Not just say hey ho, fingers crossed. She's had too many sections anyway so can't complain.

For expectant mums who may be reading this please don't get stressed by the negative comments about c-sections. I wanted a natural birth but had an emergency section for my first child and was wonderful afterwards. Second baby was natural and recovery was longer than after the section. End result was the same - beautiful babies. You will be fine.

Placenta praevia means you have to have a c section - you can't deliver vaginally with the placenta over the exit. Obviously we don't know the reason for the previous sections but for this pregnancy shed have to.
I had praevia with my first. Very big emergency and we both nearly lost our lives. Me due to the blood loss. It can very quickly turn into a General anaesthetic and hysterectomy whether 1st pregnancy or 8th.
Without knowing all the details it's hard to say if the hospital did what it should or not but a hospital should regularly check on post op patients whether a man / woman / whatever the operation.

The doctors saved her life.
She shouldn't have kept getting pregnant, knowing the ever increasing risk with every CS - she wilfully put her life in danger.

However, she still should have received appropriate after care, and the condition would have been spotted far quicker if the correct checks had been carried out on her whilst in an induced coma.

Also, this sentence has pissed me off almost as much as the gross lack of monitoring she received in the hospital tbh:

In March 2016, Ella received two hours of counselling and prosthetic legs, which after 10 hours of physio she is still trying to get used to.

The reason that many of the ex service personnel who have had to have amputations and prosthetics fitted have done so well is because of the after care they received.
Intensive counselling, physio and support are surely a basic requirement?

So not only has she been failed in her aftercare in the hospital, she has also been let down in her subsequent recovery.

witsender. Totally agree and maybe they were. But that doesn't mean a clot can't appear between checks, well actually it would have to appear between checks.

Normally on postnatal ward dvt is checked for once a day.

I don't work on icu so not sure how often they check there. None of us have any idea if the hospital stuck to the checks they were supposed to. The family say she wasn't checked for six hours.......maybe she wasn't supposed to be checked more frequently than that. Of course it's possible she was meant to be checked hourly and theyve fucked up big time.

I would need a hell of a lot more than two hours of counselling if I lost my legs.