To not stop saying that menstruation is a women's issue?

[HermioneWeasley]

Despite the fact that Twitter loons insist that it is triggering for trans women and erasing trans men?

On behalf of the millions and millions of women and girls suffering due to periods, and lack of access to sanpro and toilets (a FAR bigger human rights issue than where people with gender dysphoria pee) , I will keep saying this is a women's issue.

I had never heard of this before OP so looked it up. No YANBU!

But it is salutary and even touching I think to find out menstruation is something sought after, so I don't want to be mean.
Reading this it reminded me of being young and longing for my periods to start and longing for the state of being a woman

unitedmediapublishing.com/first-tampon-for-transgender-women-to-hit-shelves-next-month/
Our product is designed to give post-op trans-gender women the full-spectrum experience of menstruation. You don’t have to be deprived of the beautiful and womanly occurrence of menstruation merely because you were born without uterus

Kind, that's why threads like this are so important. So many women do not know what is going on and how their rights are being sold down the river.

I am the most liberal person I know, I honestly do not give 2 fucks about who anyone fancies or what anyone wears, it should all be on the table, so long as it's consensual.

I do give a fuck about my right to privacy, and my daughters, and my mothers. My daughter has just started to menstruate and I will be ending soon. These are issues that ONLY affect women and we have never in our entire history been able to talk openly about these things. Then, just when the world is becoming more liberal and more open trans activism turns up as just another way to silence women, by appropriating them.

Do they get to enjoy the pain too? And the inconvenience and embarrassment of coming on unexpectedly? And all the other joyful moments that menstruation brings? And that's just for us lucky roller-skating, football-playing western "menstruators". What you really want to deliver is the full third world, no protection, no sanitation, no school experience. Ffs.

Lumpy yes, I have learnt so much from what people post and I can see just what you mean.

It looks though as some transgender people are having an operation and then taking hormones to mimic periods. Is that the ultimate aim of most transgender people? Are the ones saying it is triggering waiting for the next stage of their transformation?

I am baffled. Please will someone explain. Are the transgender people who are upset that menstruation is called a women's issue, upset because they are transgenders who were once women but are only in the middle of the process of becoming men - so they are still having periods?
i.e they are saying we are now men but we have periods still?

Transmen (adult human females who identify with and wish to be known as men) still have periods and can become pregnant. They get upset as women need to include them in their language eg. men have babies too.

Trans women (adult human males who identify with and wish to be known as women) get upset when women talk about periods because it excludes them as they can't have them and women are reducing being a woman to menstruating.

So you end up with an environment where women cannot talk about the issue, again, as it might cause offense.

It is such a first world problem.

KindDogs I would love to explain but my brain is currently exploding from that link you posted about the faux tampons for transwomen... If you read it all you can see it's nothing to do with hormones (without ovaries and a uterus, ain't nothing happening there, there is nowhere to bleed from!) it's just some fake blood inside the "tampon" which is released at a certain body temperature so the transwoman gets the "experience" of having a period...

AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

Menstruation has been used to punish women for centuries. Women around the globe do not receive an adequate education because they menstruate.

Lumpy
Thank you very much for explaining. I would never have realised this at all.

talking I had not even gone on to read read that part! I assumed they were having special tampons for a very thin shape newly created by surgery inside, with mini periods from hormones.

Lumpy Yes, I could cry thinking of African girls I read about not able to go to school because they have no sanitary protection and have to just squat at home over earth waiting for the blood to flow away.

Just when I don't think it can get worse it does!

"You don’t have to be deprived of the beautiful and womanly occurrence of menstruation merely because you were born without uterus"

Good grief. "Beautiful and womanly occurrence", no less. Is that what we are calling writhing in white-hot agony for fucking hours, peppered with unpredictable sharp stabbing pains from the fanjo?

Indeed CoteDAdur, and then having to carry on as normal as it is just a period. I am watching my 10 year old manage her first periods and it isn't pretty. We should be moving forward to a time where we can discuss this and find ways to manage it without feeling ashamed. Instead we have to manage the language we use in case we offend.

Those fake tampons have to be a wind-up, surely?

CoteDAzur obviously!

I think part of the problem is that we do put up and shut up about periods. I think we should stop doing that.

Suburban You are right I think.
Sorry, I was looking up the subject of the thread and found it by chance.

After reading what you said I have just found this:
rightingonthewall.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/yes-virginia-transgender-tampons-are.html
Sorry, I was looking up the subject of the thread and found it by chance.
I would not have knowingly posted a hoax link.

I've never heard any actual woman describe menstruation as a "Beautiful and womanly occurrence".

I'm lucky enough to have had a pretty easy ride as far as menstruation goes, with very little in the way of pain or serious discomfort, but I still wouldn't describe periods as anything better than messy and inconvenient.

I am glad to hear the fake tampons are a hoax or satire. Because that really would have been made.
And of course it is women who menstruate.

Actually pretty relieved to find that it's a hoax.

Phew.

It's all quite crazy enough as it is.

www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/06/trans-woman-claims-to-have-a-period/

Tampons may be a hoax but some transgender women do want to simulate periods.

One TW described her post surgery bleeding as "a lifetime of periods in one go" (or similar). Errrr...no.

That would have to be an awful lot of post surgery bleeding.

I'm missing the part on the YouTube video where you have to hit yourself in the tits with a frying pan until they feel like rocks for a week before. And then perhaps, a personal favourite of mine, simulate constipation followed by the wild shites leading up to and beginning menstruation. Oh and add a portion of chopped liver to my pad, to add that extra scarey blood clot in my pants feel.

Perhaps next week she simulates the joy of thrush, with a condom filled solution of warm Greek yoghurt mixed with mild pepper spray.

I mean let's share it all!!!!

I'm thinking the forms going forward should have additional tick boxes for Uterus Bearer and Testes Adorner.

Then there's absolute clarity and it has a lovely Game of Thrones feel to it.

takes tongue out of cheek

I'm very sorry for all the trans people just trying to get on with life. I really don't think alienating biological women is helping the process of understanding and integration.

Post partum bleeding is probably similar in duration to post operative bleeding although it will be much heavier. Even that is nothing like a lifetime of periods in one go. No clue.